zigzag
- Thread starter ficus
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thats what i kinda figured i havnt been able too see one yet other than the pics my other concern is how would it be in the colder weather with all the metal parts would they freeze when i least expect it too but all in all looks pretty cool the zz
Tony
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Lancaster, PA
As stated earlier, I have yet to work with it in temps lower than 30f or 0c. But in the end I do not seeing it being a real problem. Even if the friction chain froze together (are you really sitting still that long?). Your body weight would break it open on decent and the leverage of cranking up on the tail on ascent.
You would not have the problem of the hitch cordage getting stiff and inflexible as it freezes. And while extream sap can clog anything, at least with metal it can be cleaned off, cordage not so much.
My gut feeling is this is going to be a game changer for many. I climbed on a lockjack sport occasionally for years. I never quite got the "feel" for it. It always seemed to be "on" or "off." After using the ZigZag for the first time in a tree in Baltimore before TCI Expo, I got the "feel" for it in about 10 seconds.
As a disclaimer: I don't sell these things, I don' care if you buy one, like it, hate it or think it is too expensive.
In fact don't get one. It will just make me look cooler in the end and that after all is the final goal
Tony
You would not have the problem of the hitch cordage getting stiff and inflexible as it freezes. And while extream sap can clog anything, at least with metal it can be cleaned off, cordage not so much.
My gut feeling is this is going to be a game changer for many. I climbed on a lockjack sport occasionally for years. I never quite got the "feel" for it. It always seemed to be "on" or "off." After using the ZigZag for the first time in a tree in Baltimore before TCI Expo, I got the "feel" for it in about 10 seconds.
As a disclaimer: I don't sell these things, I don' care if you buy one, like it, hate it or think it is too expensive.
In fact don't get one. It will just make me look cooler in the end and that after all is the final goal
Tony
Tony, have you tried it on vortex?
Tony
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Lancaster, PA
Nope. Kernmaster and poision ivy are all I have at my disposal currently.
Tony
Tony
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
I want one
Tony
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Lancaster, PA
Either a pulley saver or two ring friction saver. Pulley saver is very responsive, butt rings are not far behind. Going natural does effect performance, just as it does with a knot.
Tony
Tony
Butt rings???
Jeeeeeezz, Tony!
I was curious, especially with some people stating the ZZ can be tough on rope.
Do you notice any deformation or wear?
My ZZ puts the running side into an oval shape on my Tachyon, but the rope relaxes once unweighted. You can definitely feel it after a descent.
Do you notice any 'furring' from the cam 'edges'? They seem to be cut out for something like a 10mm line, but the recommended sized rope for the unit is 11.5mm ~ 13mm. I did hear reports of severe wear from some other climbers, and the word from Petzl (back at TCI, Baltimore) was to begin use with something providing more friction than a pulley.
Jeeeeeezz, Tony!
I was curious, especially with some people stating the ZZ can be tough on rope.
Do you notice any deformation or wear?
My ZZ puts the running side into an oval shape on my Tachyon, but the rope relaxes once unweighted. You can definitely feel it after a descent.
Do you notice any 'furring' from the cam 'edges'? They seem to be cut out for something like a 10mm line, but the recommended sized rope for the unit is 11.5mm ~ 13mm. I did hear reports of severe wear from some other climbers, and the word from Petzl (back at TCI, Baltimore) was to begin use with something providing more friction than a pulley.
treebing
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Detroit, Mi.
Somebody was telling me you can see the core of the rope as the zz passes over. It opens up the strands? Have you noticed anything like that?
- Location
- Rochester, NY
ZZ arrived today, can't wait to give it a try tomorrow!
I haven't noticed the core, Kevin. I used it today while taking an old Oak off a house. The Oak was almost horizontal. I was tied into an adjacent tree, and was doing a good deal of lateral movement because of the angle of the tree I was dismantling.
I used Tachyon with a Pinto Rig as a floating false crotch.
It sure is a rewarding tool for climbing, and it grabs/tends/releases soooo reliably.
I'll keep posting as I get into more vertical movement (at speed
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I still love a hitch, and will never abandon that completely.
Oh, and the Oceans' Tether just so happens to fit perfectly with the ZZ...the legs reach right down to the swivel where the lower 'biner is. That was a happy accident!
I used Tachyon with a Pinto Rig as a floating false crotch.
It sure is a rewarding tool for climbing, and it grabs/tends/releases soooo reliably.
I'll keep posting as I get into more vertical movement (at speed
I still love a hitch, and will never abandon that completely.
Oh, and the Oceans' Tether just so happens to fit perfectly with the ZZ...the legs reach right down to the swivel where the lower 'biner is. That was a happy accident!
I got mine today too! I just hope it will quit raining long enough tomorrow to give it a go!
- Location
- Austria, Europe
ZZ in da house! I'll come to use it next week, but maybe I can put up some pictures with different ropes in it at home...
- Location
- Austria, Europe
First: The Vortex fits in it, but it is really tight. I think you'll get to much friction in the ZZ which may be even comfortable in use, but self tending will need a lot of rope beneath the device.
From my short play around I found Rocket Line (used one) to self tend the best, than Blue Moon (new one)
I think in the beginnig of the life span of a ZZ smaller ropes will work better, and with time and abrasion the fatter ones will have their time with it.
Ups, I think I already wrote this...
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From my short play around I found Rocket Line (used one) to self tend the best, than Blue Moon (new one)
I think in the beginnig of the life span of a ZZ smaller ropes will work better, and with time and abrasion the fatter ones will have their time with it.
Ups, I think I already wrote this...
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Some more infos:
The carabiner attachments are really small to make sure that just one fits inside and that it cannot rotate over the gate.
No way to fit a Revolver in it, even a ISC Mighty Mouse gets stucked on his spine!
There may be other carabiners that do not fit as well, would be cool to know which ones.
The carabiner attachments are really small to make sure that just one fits inside and that it cannot rotate over the gate.
No way to fit a Revolver in it, even a ISC Mighty Mouse gets stucked on his spine!
There may be other carabiners that do not fit as well, would be cool to know which ones.
- Location
- Rochester, NY
Climbed a few tree with ZZ today, and am very impressed with it. Much smoother than I was expecting, and there is no learning curb. It work just like a perfectly tuned Prussic. As long as it holds up, it will be well worth the investment.
bonner1040
Branched out member
- Location
- Boston
The longevity of the SS wear points will the deciding factor.
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
Anyone climbed with velocity and the zz,Just curious if the smaller diameter would help self tending ?
