ZIGZAG speed feed trick

[tuttle]

This method is an easy thing to do, all you need is a heatgun, some decent 3mm line and glued heatshrink.

You need to taper the core to nothing, and taper the end of the cover, tie an overhand knot in the 3mm line and fit the shinkwrap, heat the wrap and job done.

Its not something thats strong, but could be used to send your lunch up to you.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Tom Ness showed me that idea many years ago. Pulling out the core and then using Super Glue to hold a loop of small cord in place is a great idea.

 

[tuttle]

Thats good, i'm sure that superglue cracks and breaksdown the polymers of the rope, I have alot of that shinkwrap if anyone is interested.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

I used Super Glue and other adhesives on several ropes. None of them had any degrade. The ropes were retired because of age...not from degrade after years of use. So...even if three inches of end were to degrade...cut it off and put a tenth of a cent worth of glue in and go on.

This isn't a new idea, just a fine-tuned to the N-th degree. Sure, it works but is it worth the time and expense? Not to me...I'm way too cheap. Glue works fine.

 

[evo]

Ive taken a loop of throw line girthed near the end then buried it with a loop coming out of the end. It's very useful when threading a friction saver. Also has it's place on rigging lines. Like Tom said nothing new.. This is coming from the blakes hitch days and when the end of the rope would glaze just cut it off and have a rope a few feet shorter.

 

[tuttle]

ALL GOOD. I'm thinking of refining the technique to look smooth, and last a few years.

I only did it because of the zigzag struggle to fit the rope in, and my friends have the same issues.

Thanks for pointing out its not new, but it still might help someone.

 

[jmcscrap]

Quick and simple with 8" of old throw line - no glue needed, wouldn't really need the tape at the end for the taper either, just the wrap to keep the rope from unraveling.

 

[tuttle]

love that, nice and simple, very strong too

 

[waross]

I have been thinking of doing this on my bigfoot line to feed it through my zigzag easier. I was thinking of tapering the line out over about three or four inches. Then add in a 3mm line loop as was shown above. But instead of heat shrink I was thinking of whipping the end with a line mean for just that. I have whipped a bunch of lines before that we use for camping and canoeing and can make it tight enough to hold the 3 mm lop in place. Just wondering if anyone has tried this? Or any other method other than the ones mentioned above? More pictures would be great.

 

[treevet]

I run both vortex and velocity in mine and one doesn't need the speed feed trick the other does.

 

[RopeShield]

Quick and simple with 8" of old throw line - no glue needed, wouldn't really need the tape at the end for the taper either, just the wrap to keep the rope from unraveling.

Very clever. do you mind if I show this technique in RA instructions?

 

[waross]

Well here is my first attempt. I didn't hqave my zigzag with me when I did it, so when I get home I will see how it works with the zigzag. I tapered the core and then added the 3mm cord with the thread up through the core and finished it off by whipping the end.

 

[treevet]

now you gonna climb with that big loop next to the zz hook on stubs etc. and you have to tie off with it? ugh

 

[treevet]

This method is an easy thing to do, all you need is a heatgun, some decent 3mm line and glued heatshrink.

You need to taper the core to nothing, and taper the end of the cover, tie an overhand knot in the 3mm line and fit the shinkwrap, heat the wrap and job done.

Its not something thats strong, but could be used to send your lunch up to you.View attachment 28754 View attachment 28756

upside down feed in

 

[waross]

This is just to make easier to feed the bigfoot line through the zigzag as the line bunches up if you push it through making it tight. This end does nothing otherwise. I would never put a load on this, other than what someone else said to pull up a water bottle or snack.

 

[Howie65]

Please help me to understand.
I have a rope and a ZigZag and run in works w/o problem. What is the extra sling needed for?
Are there maybe some ropes on the market which require this extra sling?
Remark: my ropes have some labels with shrink tube - maybe that is why I don't miss an extra sling.

[Edit: question has been answered by last post]

 

[waross]

I have two different ropes one a 7/16" and one 1/2". The 7/16" slides right through no issues. The 1/2" takes a bit of finesse in feeding it through. It can bunch up if you push too quick. This little loop just makes it easier to feed through the as the loop goes right through then you pull the line through so no bunching occurs. That's all. If you are using a 7/16" line wont be an issue.

 

[treevet]

are we over thinking this? just enlist a smaller cl line

 

[tuttle]

its just an idea, the loop is only for access, not an attachment point or life support.

 

[treevet]

I already knew that just sayin....why run a larger line? Maybe feeds better for ya or feels better in your hands? I see that loop hanging up on stuff....I got bad luck that way and often climb by myself.