Zig zag or spiderjack 3 ?

DSMc said:
I know that most people think of SRS when the Akimbo is mentioned, but it also works very well when used in MRS. Super fast on and off the rope and the wear points are robust enough to take fast, repeated descents.

For about the same price you will be getting a much more versatile tool.
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.........and one that is a very fussy eater with respect to rope diameter, condition, and construction, climber's weight, gravitational pull of the moon etc.
 
Seems like, no matter what climbing tool is being used, people are always on the hunt for the perfect rope. I, personally, have not found that the Akimbo is more fussy or much different to other tools in its class.

The Zig-Zag does have a reputation for working well on a wide range of ropes.
 
DSMc said:
. . . The Zig-Zag does have a reputation for working well on a wide range of ropes.
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I have two of them and they have worked great on every different rope I have tried them on, with my normal loaded climbing weight of maybe 200 lbs. or so, as long as the rope diameter is sufficient. It would be the one perfect device in my opinion if the things were somehow mid-line attachable.
 
I have climbed on both the zz and the sj3. Both are great devices.
I recommend the zz to most people because it’s intuitive, can crossover to single line work, and is more affordable. I personally climb on the sj3, and absolutely love it. It takes some dedication to developing technique with it, but once you do, you can climb blazingly fast, with little fatigue (with a pulley up top). The fact that you can lock it in place is really valuable; you can perform tail-over redirects really quickly, or lock off before a really dynamic event. Between the two devices, the control of decent speed is greater with the sj3, making inertia swings easier. It’s also easy to over-do without practice. I have seen inexperienced users take uncontrolled descents when attempting complicated maneuvers. On the other hand, I have seen people take uncontrolled descents with the zz when the mechanism was unintentionally pushed down by knots, branches, elbows, etc.
Another detractor to the sj3 (besides the learning curve) is that it takes maintenance. The zz is relatively maintenance free.
As you can see, there is a decent amount of give and take with both devices. Both are better than a hitch, any day.
 
How do you get up in the tree with the Spiderjack 3? I only use it for removals I know it’s a kinda big but I used it just in case, I have the ZZ too but I haven’t use them lately, where I work they use ropes with yes on both sides of the rope, I can set the Spiderjack but that’s not posible with the ZZ I have a poison Ivy and I love it but I don’t want to upset it in this weather.

Mitch Hoy said:
I have climbed on both the zz and the sj3. Both are great devices.
I recommend the zz to most people because it’s intuitive, can crossover to single line work, and is more affordable. I personally climb on the sj3, and absolutely love it. It takes some dedication to developing technique with it, but once you do, you can climb blazingly fast, with little fatigue (with a pulley up top). The fact that you can lock it in place is really valuable; you can perform tail-over redirects really quickly, or lock off before a really dynamic event. Between the two devices, the control of decent speed is greater with the sj3, making inertia swings easier. It’s also easy to over-do without practice. I have seen inexperienced users take uncontrolled descents when attempting complicated maneuvers. On the other hand, I have seen people take uncontrolled descents with the zz when the mechanism was unintentionally pushed down by knots, branches, elbows, etc.
Another detractor to the sj3 (besides the learning curve) is that it takes maintenance. The zz is relatively maintenance free.
As you can see, there is a decent amount of give and take with both devices. Both are better than a hitch, any day.
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JCJC7 said:
How do you get up in the tree with the Spiderjack 3? I only use it for removals I know it’s a kinda big but I used it just in case, I have the ZZ too but I haven’t use them lately, where I work they use ropes with yes on both sides of the rope, I can set the Spiderjack but that’s not posible with the ZZ I have a poison Ivy and I love it but I don’t want to upset it in this weather.
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Ride a crane ball, of course!
Otherwise, I usually isolate a single line with a quick link, tie a knot below the sj3, and ascend on a wrench, or do a base tie with another line. If the tree is really dirty, I go for the cleanest union above the main, and free climb, alternating points of connection.
When I am on spikes, free climbing is faster than setting up for srt, every time.
On rare occasions, I will break out the rope guide twin line for it’s ground setting capabilities, which, when the situation arises, is indispensable (single load remote/retrievable; for overhead laterals). Otherwise, if I am tying into another tree, I use floating false crotch method.
Always carry two ropes! That’s how.
 
I think the bulldog bone is way under rated. It does srt, obviously, and Ddrt works great on it too. Easy to adjust with just a phillips head. I've had a very easy time getting dialed in on most ropes, although I have only tried it on 3. Midline attachable in seconds, no parts to drop. Built very strong, not that big. Just dont manage to hit yourself in the face with it, don't ask. Since I got it I have had no desire or reason to use anything else.
 
RBJtree said:
I think the bulldog bone is way under rated. It does srt, obviously, and Ddrt works great on it too. Easy to adjust with just a phillips head. I've had a very easy time getting dialed in on most ropes, although I have only tried it on 3. Midline attachable in seconds, no parts to drop. Built very strong, not that big. Just dont manage to hit yourself in the face with it, don't ask. Since I got it I have had no desire or reason to use anything else.
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Ya I def want one
 
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