Young man killed felling tree
- Thread starter pdj317
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kellytrimming
Participating member
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- Aurora, CO
I feel so much for the crew even though they made the mistake. The guilt must be unbearable.
Nish
Branched out member
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- North Carolina
This seem like a bit much. After an accident there's always a bit of grandstanding from the moralizers. Especially on the internet. If there's a tight argument for the claim, I'd be interested in reading it.
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Daniel
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
That's fine... but then say so in the standard... what if it's just a spar ???? nothing gonna fly..
I AM committed to keepingt he DZ safe.. I stopped a fall a few years back. front leaner with pull rope just becasue we could.. the guy that climbed the tree was on the blower well behind the tree.. He got a little pissey when I stopped the fall to tell him to exit the DZ when I dropped the tree (actually it was only a spar)... He knew and I knew and anyone with a bit of sense knew the tree could only go one way.. away from him.. HOWEVER I still stopped the fall to clear the DZ... WHY??? becauseI didn;t want him settign a bad example and some rookie then thinking he could stand in the DZ.
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Ansi z133 8.5.4
In manual tree felling operations, non involved workers shall be beyond twice the height of the tree trunk being removed..
Exception
This requirement does not apply in the presence of site restrictions, such as waterways or cliffs. Other arborists and workers shall be beyond a tree's striking range and at a distance as close to twice the tree's height as practicable.
In manual tree felling operations, non involved workers shall be beyond twice the height of the tree trunk being removed..
Exception
This requirement does not apply in the presence of site restrictions, such as waterways or cliffs. Other arborists and workers shall be beyond a tree's striking range and at a distance as close to twice the tree's height as practicable.
SomethingWitty
Arkansawyer
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- LR
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- Gladwin Mi
It wasn't another tree in the vicinity it was the tree he (the climber was in) and when he cut it came back on him.
The same concept of risk assessment and mitigation can be used for tree work as TRA.
If any activity has potential of death or serious injury to prevent the consequences you can not do it, remove the target, or reduce the chance by altering methodoly. If you do alter the methodology you have not reduced the risk to zero.
If any activity has potential of death or serious injury to prevent the consequences you can not do it, remove the target, or reduce the chance by altering methodoly. If you do alter the methodology you have not reduced the risk to zero.
- Location
- Gladwin Mi
If I can remember what my friend said I believe the piece that he was cutting was held too tight by his ground persons and it could not pivot away from him and in turn came back on him. I am sorry I can't explain it better but it was a tragic accident regarless.
- Location
- Gladwin Mi
regardless is what I meant to say
TimBr
Official Well Known Greeter
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- Northern Virginia
@pdj317; There's an edit button at the bottom of the things you post, which will allow you to go back in and correct minor mistakes like that. I use it all the time when I fail to proofread what I write before posting.
Tim
Tim
treehumper
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- Ridgefield, NJ
This illustrates why accident investigation reports need to be made available to the professional community. All discussions become speculation and thus hypothetical or irrelevant to the circumstances rendering them useless to understanding the casual agents.
Until more facts are known what can be said is improper techniques, practices and communications contributed to the death of a worker. What exactly those were we need to find out before any sort of meaningful discussion can be had with respect to this particular incident. And I refuse to call this an accident.
Until more facts are known what can be said is improper techniques, practices and communications contributed to the death of a worker. What exactly those were we need to find out before any sort of meaningful discussion can be had with respect to this particular incident. And I refuse to call this an accident.
Daniel
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
Why do you refuse to call it a accident Treehumper? Not enough info available? Just curious. I agree, they need detailed reports so professionals can actually understand the mistake made. The tree workers around here where I live are so unprofessional it's a wonder more haven't died around here. Just a month ago a guy was operating a bucket with 2 or 3 missing turret bolts that he knew about. He proceeded to work the truck anyway, and low and behold, the bucket collapsed with him inside. He got away with just a crushed ankle though, very lucky...
An accident is not foreseeable and not preventable. Being hit by a tree while working on a crew is entirely preventable and therefore it is negligence, stupidity, murder, etc.
A simple rule of staying out of the way would have prevented this. Of course most tree workers think you are weak, lazy, stupid, scared, money-waster etc. if you slow down, think, and act with diligence.
A simple rule of staying out of the way would have prevented this. Of course most tree workers think you are weak, lazy, stupid, scared, money-waster etc. if you slow down, think, and act with diligence.
I see I see. Yes a lot of them have that attitude around here also. I'm the only private company in my neighborhood that even uses ppe, or has workmans comp for that matter as well. It's sad the regulations around here! I have to work my ass of to pay my liabilities and insurances, etc.. to compete with a guy with a pickup truck a saw and some spurs. It'a dumb.
