X-Rigging THT

Done.

Okay, THT was in it's location because that was the most open landing zone under it. Opposite side of tree had a fence and other shorter trees.

5/8" double braid rigging line.

a single beast ring redirect at the base of the tree (could have used a large 28x20 ring instead, not much difference here).

Triple X-Rigging ring sling at the top (our old configuration with 3 of the large 28x20 rings).

Then THT 38 at the terminal rigging point.

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Then to the question about how difficult to pull it up: With climber being able to alleviate some of the rope weight, the groundperson pulls up no problem. IF climber didn't help, it would be tiring for the groundperson for sure, when using all three holes. In reality, climber almost always needs his hands on the rope anyway before it's pulled up in any system and it's not hard to help a little.

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Boomslang said:
It would be a royal pain to constantly have to relocate the THT if it is meant to be close to the cut, especially in some trees with large spreads on them.

If on the other hand it can be a top rigging point I see another issue...

Hypothetical: Say you set the line through two holes from the get go, but as you progress and get into bigger wood the two holes isn't providing enough friction. Do you A) climb back up and put it through all three holes B) Take smaller pieces to compensate C) Use a lowering device. A and B seem like a waste of time, and C kinda defeats the purpose of using the THT in the first place.

Maybe these aren't real issues or there's a simple solution, I'd have to use the THT to get the feel for it. However, I think the price point is what's going to hurt the item the most. Whereas XRR are priced very very well for what they do, I can't see dropping $300 for a product that isn't as versatile as a premium impact block at the same price point.
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Yeah, you never should be climbing back up to switch from two holes to three, plus you don't move it all around. No more than a block anyway. You move it when the tree gets smaller and you need to negative rig.

Because it is friction at the top of the tree, it's really odd to get use to, but there is a wider range in think. With three holes, you can do say a 15 lb tiny limb, the climber might be needed to make it lower. And you can do everything in between up to say 500 lbs with the same system. Then, at some point, if going bigger, you add in the basal Lowering Device but maybe just with a half wrap or so.

Reg did a good job explaining the friction in the rings with one of his latest videos. The THT isn't as touchy as a lowering device at the base of the tree. This is hard to understand or get use to, if most of your career was using basal devices like me.
 
David, this looks like an excellent device. I love that rings have enabled me to work with a wider range of groundsmen handling the rope. It also seems to help the novice groundsman to learn more rapidly and get "the feel" much faster (though timing still takes experience). I foresee the THT adding an even greater level of confidence between climber and ropeman. I am looking forward to this new tool! My check went out today, and I appreciate your offer for the pre-order.
 
Would love to check one out ,but I'm tapped right now . With a mortgage sized food bill to feed my 6 person family per month ..I can't spend too much on rigging gear this time of year. Damn I want to though! Should start killing more deer now and vacuum packing more veggies when there growing good ..then I could afford a tht...lol
 
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Yeah, it's tough this time of year, to find the extra cash for new gear. I had to buy a new snowblower just in time for another Nor'easter a few weeks back, but I made sure that I had enough left over to pre-order the THT.

If I were you guys, I would really try to find a way to order one. These things are going to sell like hot cakes, I just know it.
 
I wouldn't mind trying it but I think a block on a whoopi sling with a portawrap is just fine.if the piece is big take another wrap.300$ seems a lot when there are already tools that do the same job.but a cool concept
 
I could see anchoring off to the bottom hole as well as sling it comes in and floating the tht over a preferred dz if suitable and running working line through other holes provided.
 
Would the THT work as a rr fs if you used it in a basket with another ring? or would there be too much friction to be retrievable?

Do you find a dead eye sling to be best or a loopie? How long?
 
theXman said:
Yeah, you never should be climbing back up to switch from two holes to three, plus you don't move it all around. No more than a block anyway. You move it when the tree gets smaller and you need to negative rig.

Because it is friction at the top of the tree, it's really odd to get use to, but there is a wider range in think. With three holes, you can do say a 15 lb tiny limb, the climber might be needed to make it lower. And you can do everything in between up to say 500 lbs with the same system. Then, at some point, if going bigger, you add in the basal Lowering Device but maybe just with a half wrap or so.

Reg did a good job explaining the friction in the rings with one of his latest videos. The THT isn't as touchy as a lowering device at the base of the tree. This is hard to understand or get use to, if most of your career was using basal devices like me.
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So X you're saying that a groundie can hold <500lbs with a tht at the top and a redirect ring at the bottom with out a porti?
 
theXman said:
Yeah, you never should be climbing back up to switch from two holes to three, plus you don't move it all around. No more than a block anyway. You move it when the tree gets smaller and you need to negative rig.

Because it is friction at the top of the tree, it's really odd to get use to, but there is a wider range in think. With three holes, you can do say a 15 lb tiny limb, the climber might be needed to make it lower. And you can do everything in between up to say 500 lbs with the same system. Then, at some point, if going bigger, you add in the basal Lowering Device but maybe just with a half wrap or so.

Reg did a good job explaining the friction in the rings with one of his latest videos. The THT isn't as touchy as a lowering device at the base of the tree. This is hard to understand or get use to, if most of your career was using basal devices like me.
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This appeals to me a great deal as I often have groundies that aren't as skilled as I'd like. The THT is definitely a large ticket item, but the description you give makes me really want one. I got really tired of riding in the arborist convertible......now I'm getting really tired of not being able to go as large as I'd like because my groundies just can't seem to get the hang of slowing the load at the end of a run. Seems like a large step in the right direction.
 
Does the tht make Pre tensioning any harder when getting a limb ready with some pull on it to swing directionally?
 
What is the load you can hold if all of those are rings compared to if you add the tht into the system with one groundie and no porti?
 
JakeRiggs said:
X , 2 questions, have you used this for lowering limbs by yourself in the tree, and is it easy enough to run through the canopy with it attached to your saddle
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Jake, yes, I lower stuff myself. Stuff between 35lb and say 300 lbs by myself if okay. I can also take over a 350 lb load from the groundman and hold it with one hand on 5/8" rope and up. The bigger the rope, the more friction, the easier to hold. I did weight testing with rope sizes from 12.5mm up to 3/4". did minimum weight needed for it to lower, did maximum weight and average climber can hold. I'll make a chart. All of this is on video of course in the X man archives.

I do carry this on my large caritool in the tree. I would never carry a arb block on my saddle. IF the THT was any bigger or heavier, I would never carry it around either. Yes, I do definitely carry it around with one hole in the large caritool if I ever need to move it around.
 
KevinS said:
What is the load you can hold if all of those are rings compared to if you add the tht into the system with one groundie and no porti?
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Like...... how many ring redirects would be needed to equal a THT's friction? If that is your question, it's very complex with too many variables, such as entrance and exit angle of each ring.

but..... if I had to guess at an average number.... 4 to 5 different large (28x20) rings might equal the holding power of the THT, or 4 beast rings.
 
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