X-rigging rings

"Tree Talk for Tree People...and every other industry can try to keep up."
Not everything in rock climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.
Not everything in cave climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.
Not everything in tower climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.
Not everything in rescue climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.

We are doing an excellent job of developing our industry with all these ingenious tools and task specific hardware! Thanks to people like theXman!, treebing, surveyor, oceans, yoyoman, oldfart, reg, and the list goes on and on...we are seeing tools designed specifically with trees in mind. It's a great place to be! We are at the cutting edge of all climbing! Hey, that's good...I should try to make that more pithy.
 
The only reference I can find regarding those sharp edges supposedly created by hard anodizing is off of that Rock Exotica link. That doesn't mean there isn't some truth to it, but this sounds a lot more like one of those industry accepted myths like micro fractures (something that was laid to rest by a group of MIT students).
 
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If X hadn't tried we wouldn't have them know same with everything advancements and progression come this way. I assume we can agree that we are happy to not be running 3 strand manila through natural crotches, we knew how strong they were why did we ever bother with blocks and db.
 
Look the damn rigging rings are sick...and slick...if ya don't like them that's cool but don't knock em....they work damn great....glad I am open to new things....it's all good those that don't like em stick wid ya blocks....go block em down...I prefer ringing....lol
 
The written form of our language doesn't always convey intent very well, used conversationally. People read malice and arrogance into statements meant to convey information that the author feels is relevant and important. When it starts degenerating into a mess, a change of topic might derail the ugliness.

So, who like big boobs?
Yes Jeff. Thanks for that. I like a nice round firm soft backside.
 
Do you have any info on the THT yet? minimal weight that will have enough pull to go down? video on use, what it works best for what it's not really meant for?
 
Be wary of taking a highly effective device and making it complicated, as you increase both the cost and the number of potential failure modes. KISS (keep it simple and safe) is always the best operating principle.

The Grigri is a very popular belay device, but I know of one fatality that occurred because a single grain of sharp sand got lodged next to the cam and cut a kernmantle rope clean through.

Keeping it simple stupid, is why many like the X-Rigging Rings and why I would think that even rescueman would like them.

One of the large arborist supply companies told me that I wouldn't believe how many blocks they get back that are destroyed, many from people not putting them back together fully or other abuse. They said being simple and no moving parts is what is so great about the XRRs.

I thought you said the sand cut the rope, but I think you mean a "single grain of sharp sand" caused the cam to do something odd.

The words SINGLE GRAIN and CUT CLEAN THROUGH. And also MICRO EDGE on hard-coat cutting a rope is what cause me to put you into a small group of people I have met a few of.

When I was in college, I joined the college rock climbing group. I was already doing tree work from the age of 15 by the way.

Well, I had never officially rock climbed with a belay and all, but being a climber type people, myself and my younger brother that also joined was fairly decent at it right from the beginning; which actually pissed a few of the other members off that had been climbing the rock wall for years.

Anyway, we did one field trip with them. On that trip I witnessed people freak out and scream at the other person that would dare step onto their rope.

They claimed that dirt from the foot would work dirt and abrasives into the core of the rope. working with the rope would cause those abrasives to work on the core, cutting it's fibers. Then one day, without knowing it, the rope would be weak and snap.

I might have said, you wouldn't believe what our ropes with tree work would go through then.

Then another thing happened that I still will never forget. While on the ground, a guy dropped his steel forged large figure 8. Dropped it from his waste to the ground at his feet and it dinged on the rocky ground.

he was like, "OH NO, that thing was expensive, that sucks". I asked him what is the problem.

He said that he can't use it from now on. It might have micro-cracks that can never be seen and break without warning.

He promptly put tape around it and wrote something like CAUTION, DO NOT USE.

He always kept in his college room for display and I think conversation.

Those things caused us to leave the rock climbing club; they were too ridiculous.:loco:

But, years later, I do understand how a person could be like that. IF you don't do it every day, you are likely extremely nervous and scared. You need everything to be pristine and new in order to have some trust in it.

I don't appreciate some adult rescue geek trying to find fault with an awesome tool that is both simple, safe and amazing. Especially when he hasn't worked with it and doesn't even do this type of work.

Also, every thread I can think of, RescueMan turns it into a Geek theory fight, even the Best Picture of 2014 thread was derailed into a rescue rope argument.

Yet, I can't but feel a little bad for him now that so many jumped on him. I gotta remember..... he really had it coming, he really asked for it.:cachetada:


I do have friends that rock climb and are rescue and fire department friends that are NOT like this. (one is fire chief and my cousin is a captain of a paid major fire department) So, I want to clear it up that I don't think all of them are like this.
 
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I had a conversation with Tom D about kit one time about a swivel. I was a bit worried about the integrity of it because it was pretty beat up. I pulled his words up from the conversation , Dont know how to post them without rewriting ,which I'm not, so heres this way. I'm just learning computers I've spent too much damn time in the woods and working with wood.:)
 

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Do you have any info on the THT yet? minimal weight that will have enough pull to go down? video on use, what it works best for what it's not really meant for?
Good, back to regular programming.

I did some stuff with it, I now need to take those pieces and weigh them.

I'll start a separate thread on the THT itself when I'm ready.

Unfortunately I'm not rich, I have to do daily tree service work to keep us afloat.
 
I had a conversation with Tom D about kit one time about a swivel. I was a bit worried about the integrity of it because it was pretty beat up. I pulled his words up from the conversation , Dont know how to post them without rewriting ,which I'm not, so heres this way. I'm just learning computers I've spent too much damn time in the woods and working with wood.:)

your text pasted here:
"Denny Moorhouse from ISC and the originator of DMM=Denny Michael Moorhouse is a friend of mine. I've talked with him about gear wear. He said that they've broken a lot of used/worn/dropped/damaged gear over the decades. Most has been within safe work loads even with a lot of wear. Pretty amazing! They've gotten racks of gear that big wall climbers have dropped at Yosemite and other tall granite walls...hundreds of feet of smashing. No real worries about things that pass a visual inspection.
There is great value in sticking with gut feelings. Those of us who make our livings in risky professions really have to listen and pay attention. If not..we know the consequences"
 
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"Denny Moorhouse from ISC and the originator of DMM=Denny Michael Moorhouse is a friend of mine. I've talked with him about gear wear. He said that they've broken a lot of used/worn/dropped/damaged gear over the decades. Most has been within safe work loads even with a lot of wear. Pretty amazing! They've gotten racks of gear that big wall climbers have dropped at Yosemite and other tall granite walls...hundreds of feet of smashing. No real worries about things that pass a visual inspection.
There is great value in sticking with gut feelings. Those of us who make our livings in risky professions really have to listen and pay attention. If not..we know the consequences"
Thanks Xman!
 
I've gotta back up the rock climbers a little bit on this one. Probably because I was a dirtbag who devoted his life to it from 16-26. The people you met in your college climbing class are NOT indicative of rock climbers as a whole. Those people got into rock climbing because "it's a really good workout" or because they want to be labeled adrenaline junkies. They don't stick with it, and they hold on to a weekend warrior mentality. They are the people that a guy like me gets most of his gear from, used, but in near pristine condition because it was only taken out 1 weekend a month and never fallen on.
The rope thing, for me, is respect. While it's true that dirt and sand worked into a rope will eventually cause failure (the effect is magnified in highly dynamic climbing ropes because the internal strands move so much more), mostly I'm just pissed that you were so unaware of your surroundings that you tromped your muddy dog shit covered boots on my neatly flaked rope. But then, I don't yard sale my gear at a crag, a common scene from college climbing clubs.
The micro crack thing was commonly accepted dogma and is something that it's still hard to convince people is bullshit. I always questioned it because it just didn't make sense to me. Why would gear that can withstand being loaded on an 1/8 inch thick bolt thousands of time develop micro cracks from being dropped 20 feet? My suspicions were confirmed when BD dropped gear off El Cap and tested it. They found that without visible deformation, the gear tested fine. MIT students did something similar and they even went so far as to X-Ray the gear. No micro fractures. That dogma is going to stick around for a long time though. Even incredibly smart people manage to hold on to bullshit assumptions if they were drilled into them during their formative years. It's a rare person who can truly overcome what they were trained.
And I can't wait for the THT.
 
even the Best Picture of 2014 thread was derailed into a rescue rope argument.

"You made it sound as if a tree climber had taught something to a mountain rescue professional that he didn't know."
and POW for two points it's the XMAN.......

"So if she weighs the same as a duck then she is a witch" love the inverse proportion of logical application,....HAHA that drongo is quackers. :aburrido:
 
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