X-rigging rings

Worthaug said:
It's like Rescue man is a "crotch rocket" rider who just walked into a Harley bar...
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you are correct, plus running his mouth.


Or, for me.... I'd rather it say it's a Harley man walking into a crotch rocket bar and running his mouth.:D Sorry, had too.
If you have ridden both, you would know Harleys are built like backyard projects and it's like comparing a 1970s bike to modern day bikes. But most new Harley owners are new riders and know no difference. They don't know how perfect a bike can be.
 
theXman said:
you are correct, plus running his mouth.


Or, for me.... I'd rather it say it's a Harley man walking into a crotch rocket bar and running his mouth.:D Sorry, had too.
If you have ridden both, you would know Harleys are built like backyard projects and it's like comparing a 1970s bike to modern day bikes. But most new Harley owners are new riders and know no difference. They don't know how perfect a bike can be.
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Right, good point.
 
I'm not saying I agree with RescueMan, because that would be silly, but we should realize where he is coming from. I'm sure he sees a lot of 'worst case scenarios' and is immersed in a world of tragedy and mishap. He deals with amateurs getting themselves into stupid situations and life threatening or life taking circumstances. I can understand why RescueMan has such trouble trusting gear, rigging, knots, new things, etc.! But I do think he is forgetting who he is talking to here on this forum. We are not amateurs out trying new toys alone in the woods! We know our stuff and carefully and intelligently incorporate the new only when it benefits, makes safer, and increases productivity in an industry that requires skilled and precise action on a daily basis.
 
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Awe treebuzz is getting so polite and soft....someone go rescue....rescueman from himself...this here is the tree working world filled with mostly pros...hey the rings are good lets move on....all this fear mongering is painful to say the least...I am off to heat up some rings....make some money
 
theXman said:
Keeping it simple stupid, is why many like the X-Rigging Rings and why I would think that even rescueman would like them... I don't appreciate some adult rescue geek trying to find fault with an awesome tool that is both simple, safe and amazing. Especially when he hasn't worked with it and doesn't even do this type of work
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I see that there has been some circling the wagons to defend your own against an "outsider", much the same way that police officers have always drawn a "thin blue line" around corrupt fellow officers when they were exposed.

And, just as with the cops, you're thoroughly misrepresenting my comments in order to build a straw man you can attack.

I have not been finding fault with X-rings, but with X-man's clearly faulty reasoning in the article I cited. X-man continues to demonstrate faulty reasoning, both in his attacks on my character and in his defense of his product.

theXman said:
The words SINGLE GRAIN and CUT CLEAN THROUGH. And also MICRO EDGE on hard-coat cutting a rope is what cause me to put you into a small group of people I have met a few of.
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Putting people in little boxes is what kneejerk reactionaries do - those unwilling to address the substance of critical analysis.

The climber who died because of that grain of sand would not be so dismissive of its well-documented effect, nor would anyone who was knowledgeable of the field of rigging so quickly dismiss a well-known problem with microedges on warn hard-coat anodyzing.

theXman said:
When I was in college, I joined the college rock climbing group. I was already doing tree work from the age of 15 by the way.

They claimed that dirt from the foot would work dirt and abrasives into the core of the rope. working with the rope would cause those abrasives to work on the core, cutting it's fibers. Then one day, without knowing it, the rope would be weak and snap.

I might have said, you wouldn't believe what our ropes with tree work would go through then.

Then another thing happened that I still will never forget. While on the ground, a guy dropped his steel forged large figure 8. Dropped it from his waste to the ground at his feet and it dinged on the rocky ground... He said that he can't use it from now on. It might have micro-cracks that can never be seen and break without warning.
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This further demonstrates both X-man's ignorance of the rigging field and his misunderstanding of known liabilities, as well as his propensity to put down any other rope discipline which he doesn't understand.

Rock climbing relies on kernmantle rope, in which 70% or so of the strength is in the hidden inner core, while the sheath merely protects the core. Unlike braided arborist ropes, most of the fibers in a climbing rope are not visible, so tearing from sharp grit forced into the core IS a well-known problem that any knowledgeable climber tries to avoid at all costs. Many climbers, for instance, use rope tarps to flake their climbing ropes on so that there is no contact with the dirt. Stepping on a climbing rope, which is life-safety equipment and must be able to withstand fall forces up to 12 kN (2700 lbf), not simply support body weight, is avoided for very good reason.

And microfractures in alloy hardware (not steel) is a well-known issue among metalurgists and material scientists, though the danger of microfractures in dropped aluminum carabiners has been dismissed by research at least since SMC reported to the 2000 International Technical Rescue Symposium that there was no loss in breaking strength after drops of 115 carabiners from heights of 27 and 54 feet onto hard surfaces.

But only a fool would put such a dropped carabiner back in service in life-support rigging.

So, to summarize, I have no problem with new innovative equipment that meets a real need without introducing additional problems. But I DO have a problem with professionals in any rigging field pretending they know a subject when they don't, and then attacking those who point out their errors.
 
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wyoclimber said:
I still think bringing up the Gri Gri was just funny. It's saved far more lives than its taken, including my own.
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If you think the death of a climber is "funny" then you are one sick cookie.

You must have also failed to notice that I brought up that incident in response to a wish for a single piece of hardware that would do everything including cooking dinner. My point - to anyone not laughing at tragedy - was that making gear more complicated can result in more potential for catastrophic failure.

In fact, I had an article of mine published in Advanced Rescue Technology in 2004 specifically addressing that problem: IS FAIL-SAFE REALLY SAFE?
 
theXman said:
I'd rather it say it's a Harley man walking into a crotch rocket bar and running his mouth... If you have ridden both, you would know Harleys are built like backyard projects and it's like comparing a 1970s bike to modern day bikes. But most new Harley owners are new riders and know no difference. They don't know how perfect a bike can be.
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In fact, I rode a full-dress Harley back in 1970, and I've had a dozen bikes. Crotch rockets are testosterone-compensators for men who are either overgrown adolescents or wish they were.

Your knowledge of motorcycles seems to be as deficient as your knowledge of rigging physics. Harleys will still be on the road long after crotch rockets are rusting in salvage yards.
 
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dang it, looks like I'm going to be waiting stihl longer.
thankyou Rescueman for your 10 year old information and 14 year old symposium recollections, the trip down nostalgia lane was delightful.:tonto:

Missed the bit about hard-coating? or decided to ignore it?
I went and did some research very interesting stuff indeed what the hard-coating method creates, very enlightning indeed.

You have been provided with good hard imperial data sets to work on yet keep ignoring the actual discussion are the X-rings a better way to rig out opposed to a traditional block or pulley?
Yes or No?
 
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