X-rigging rings

Not everything in rock climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.
Not everything in cave climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.
Not everything in tower climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.
Not everything in rescue climbing is transferable to tree climbing and vice versa.

The physics of rigging is the same in every field, and those who don't understand vector physics cannot claim to be knowledgeable in ANY rigging field.

Of course "not everything is transferable", yet the cutting edge arborists have been switching to SRT climbing techniques, which were developed by vertical cavers in the 1950s and 1960s.

American caver Bill Cuddington, known as "Vertical Bill", developed the single rope technique (SRT) in the late 1950s. In 1958, two Swiss alpinists teamed together to creating the first mechanical rope ascender known as the Jumar.

Fernand Petzl, who began caving in the late 1920s, started his company to manufacture caving equipment, and produced his first rope ascenders in 1968.

The first descenders were marketed in 1947 and most of the important variants were developed by the 1960s.

Nice to see the arborist community catching up with us more than a half century later.
 
The physics of rigging is the same in every field, and those who don't understand vector physics cannot claim to be knowledgeable in ANY rigging field.

Of course "not everything is transferable", yet the cutting edge arborists have been switching to SRT climbing techniques, which were developed by vertical cavers in the 1950s and 1960s.

American caver Bill Cuddington, known as "Vertical Bill", developed the single rope technique (SRT) in the late 1950s. In 1958, two Swiss alpinists teamed together to creating the first mechanical rope ascender known as the Jumar.

Fernand Petzl, who began caving in the late 1920s, started his company to manufacture caving equipment, and produced his first rope ascenders in 1968.

The first descenders were marketed in 1947 and most of the important variants were developed by the 1960s.

Nice to see the arborist community catching up with us more than a half century later.
Whatever
 
dang it, looks like I'm going to be waiting stihl longer.

Missed the bit about hard-coating? or decided to ignore it?

I went and did some research very interesting stuff indeed what the hard-coating method creates, very enlightning indeed.

You have been provided with good hard imperial data sets to work on yet keep ignoring the actual discussion are the X-rings a better way to rig out opposed to a traditional block or pulley? Yes or No?

Obviously YOU missed the fact that I addressed the long-known hardcoat problem, and you have failed to share any of that "very interesting stuff" your extensive research uncovered.

No one has presented ANY "data sets", and certainly not "imperial data sets" (what's that - proclamations from on high?). And no one has contradicted the extensive data that I've offered.

Nor was my contribution to this thread about whether "X-rings a better way to rig out opposed to a traditional block or pulley", but ONLY about X-Man's incorrect assertions in his article.

Apparently, you prefer to remain "Stilmadd" than engage in rational conversation.
 
So all this is about a slightly less than exact technical sentence in a magazine article. Not a full out technical report in a full phd volume encyclopaedia.

This article was great for 99% of it's readers. We all read things that are basic and below our knowledge level. If it was a university thesis being submitted for a phd go nuts and tear it to shreds it's got to be exact and backed up.

But I'm guessing that this magazine was happy with the submission. We get the point there was an error in wording but lets get past that.
 
I'm not much of a fan of hard-coat anodizing, as when it wears away it can leave a micro-edge that can cut rope fibers. Overheating may also be a problem if ropes are allowed to run too fast.
Cycles to failure are an issue with arb ropes.Because were dropping loads on them and beat the shit out of them in general. Micro edge is bullshit to me and overheating because I'll just buy another rope. I uses to smoke ropes on a natural crotch when I started in this biz and they still lasted until changed them , I've never broke a rope because I pay the fuck attention and the tree works to my advantage an works for my advantage. Xrings for dropping wood for instance I don't need a song and a dance to know with the evidence we know that it a hell of a lot better than running the rope directly over the tree for the ropes sake.Yet the smooth friction they provide is beneficial like the friction the old natty crotch way provides at anchor point. We arbs go through enough rope some of what your bringing up has no bearing wheather or not it matters what you have to say hear now about this subject. I'm not taking anything away from the knowledge you poccess which I'm sure is plenty good for you and I can tell you want to share that knowledge , which lots of people share that desire .Which is why were here sharing information. Doesn't have to be technical data all the time!
 
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Of course "not everything is transferable", yet the cutting edge arborists have been switching to SRT climbing techniques

Yes srt is tried and true, thanks for the history lesson...at least I learned something from you...but what is new about it are the devices we are using that are able to ascend and descend without a change over. X wrote a good article that is easy to understand for the readers of the magazine. Seems like a good plan to me.Keep up the good work X. Let the teachers teach, while you do the real work that gives them something to teach.

...typical Harley guy...And yes I do ride a crotch rocket, and I am a still a kid at heart, plus they are just more fun, faster, corner better, handle better...but it's not a real bike...smh
 
what is new about it are the devices we are using that are able to ascend and descend without a change over.
I was going to explain this too, but I felt like it would be 'water down the drain'. I know we were behind the times...until we took our rightful place out on the cutting edge with all these revolutionary developments...plus we carry chainsaws. :bailando:
 
If you think the death of a climber is "funny" then you are one sick cookie.

You must have also failed to notice that I brought up that incident in response to a wish for a single piece of hardware that would do everything including cooking dinner. My point - to anyone not laughing at tragedy - was that making gear more complicated can result in more potential for catastrophic failure.

In fact, I had an article of mine published in Advanced Rescue Technology in 2004 specifically addressing that problem: IS FAIL-SAFE REALLY SAFE?
Ahh, misrepresentation. If anybody else on here thinks that I was laughing at the death of a fellow climber they sure didn't speak up. But you find it necessary to take offense at absolutely everything, so obviously I found a fellow climber dying "funny". All I have to say is this. Fuck you. You are nothing but a slightly smarter breed of troll. That almost makes it worse.
As far as the Gri Gri incident goes, I read the SAR report as well. First, the Gri Gri was being improperly used. Laying it on the ground attached to an anchor invites potential failure due to the high likelihood of the cam being blocked. That wasn't the cause of failure but speaks to me about the experience of the user.
Secondly, your dogged insistence that it was a single grain of sand that cut the rope is inaccurate. Nobody actually knows. That was one of the theories. Once again you misrepresent the actual incident.
Finally, the inability to replicate the failure during the several hundred tests performed tells me two things. If it was in fact sand or rhyolite that caused the failure then it was one of those freak accidents that are not really preventable. It also tells me that the cause is in reality, unknown.
As for your reasoning for bringing it up, I still think it's out of place. The X-Rings do not do everything. That's been well established. Neither does the Gri Gri. You may be the only person looking for that do everything piece of equipment. I use the Gri Gri for its intended purpose, as an auto-locking belay and descent device. It sure as hell isn't fail safe. I once had an inexperienced belayer drop me on one because he panicked and pulled the lever back completely. I was saved by a bystander knocking it out of his hands. User, not equipment error. I also had my life saved by one when I took a fall on a wall in Zion and my belayer caught a rock to his helmet. It knocked him unconscious and without a Gri Gri, I would have fallen 800 feet to my death. Or some friends of mine climbing in Potrero, the clipping jug came out because it's shit sun baked limestone and hit the belayer in the face, knocking her unconscious. Had they not been using a Gr Gri, he would have fallen 80 feet to his death. Or Ammon Mcneely, taking a fall on El Cap and waking up, caught by his Gri Gri.
I find it "funny" that you referenced your paper on another thread about that Gri Gri incident and had the exact same combative holier than thou attitude. Seems like your are going around trying to show the Internet what an "expert" you are while instead making yourself look like an asshole.
 
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And the reason the "wagons were circled" is simply this. You're a dick.
I don't always agree with X. I don't get why he calls himself X-Man, I think he can be a dick sometimes and he's far from the most eloquent person I know. But I can recognize that he's a damn good Arborist and a damn good rigger. I can recognize that he brought a product to our market that has made things easier and dare I say, safer, for many Arborists. That's definitely something I can get behind. Plus, you went after him right after he promised to send a bunch of people on here a free XRR and well, we Arborists love free shit.
 

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