Wow......Arborist Ethics in the UK!
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Well I do practice what I preach. Its a grey line between Topping and pollarding - objective management and attitude are often the only difference.
Training is only 10% of what I do. The largest portion is contracting, which I also use for development work.
The pic attached was of a recent job - Less than 2 inches around 2/3rds the circumference holding it up. Also extensive root decay. No crane access. Unimog crane only reached up to 6 metres. Then there was the challenge of lean. Took 8 man days start to finish (but they were long days!).
Training is only 10% of what I do. The largest portion is contracting, which I also use for development work.
The pic attached was of a recent job - Less than 2 inches around 2/3rds the circumference holding it up. Also extensive root decay. No crane access. Unimog crane only reached up to 6 metres. Then there was the challenge of lean. Took 8 man days start to finish (but they were long days!).
Oh, and I forgot to mention - pics are copyright of Snowdonia National Park Authority.
We're working on a storyboard of the whole job. Should be on the website in a couple of weeks. Couple of vids too.
I was getting to grips with trunk sections here.
We're working on a storyboard of the whole job. Should be on the website in a couple of weeks. Couple of vids too.
I was getting to grips with trunk sections here.
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Hmm.
To define horrific lack of skill for Ed - ill comsidered actions that are likely to lead to horrific injury. Just my opinion of course.
Back to work!
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Fair Enough. Your opinion. Bloody insulting way of putting it though, and a good way of rubbing someone up the wrong way. /forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif
I could say that (in my opinion) your Horrendously slow and plodding, and a slave to petty rules and regulations. But it would be stupid and uncalled for.
And unfortunately, you'r making this point about SAFETY issue's in the Arborist ethics thread.
As far as I'm aware, that one was settled a while ago. My opinion was that British arborists are often given very difficult choices, and as a whole did not like doing Heavy dropcrotching. We were NOT talking about the kind of hatracking that Dan posted some pictures of.
What can be controversial is work such as pollard formation and retention, and veteran tree preservation.
Thats why I believe Eric was stirring the pot with his worn out post.
anyway, interesting job pics. where was that, looks familiar? and whose unimog?
Hmm.
To define horrific lack of skill for Ed - ill comsidered actions that are likely to lead to horrific injury. Just my opinion of course.
Back to work!
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Fair Enough. Your opinion. Bloody insulting way of putting it though, and a good way of rubbing someone up the wrong way. /forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif
I could say that (in my opinion) your Horrendously slow and plodding, and a slave to petty rules and regulations. But it would be stupid and uncalled for.
And unfortunately, you'r making this point about SAFETY issue's in the Arborist ethics thread.
As far as I'm aware, that one was settled a while ago. My opinion was that British arborists are often given very difficult choices, and as a whole did not like doing Heavy dropcrotching. We were NOT talking about the kind of hatracking that Dan posted some pictures of.
What can be controversial is work such as pollard formation and retention, and veteran tree preservation.
Thats why I believe Eric was stirring the pot with his worn out post.
anyway, interesting job pics. where was that, looks familiar? and whose unimog?
TreeCo
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As far as I'm aware, that one was settled a while ago. My opinion was that British arborists are often given very difficult choices, and as a whole did not like doing Heavy dropcrotching. We were NOT talking about the kind of hatracking that Dan posted some pictures of.
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The pictures were submitted by the arborist that did the work......
.....and the prevailing attitude was anything goes as long as we get paid.
The thread was a good insight into the minds of arborist(lack of a better word) who abuse trees for the money and do so without remorse.
As far as I'm aware, that one was settled a while ago. My opinion was that British arborists are often given very difficult choices, and as a whole did not like doing Heavy dropcrotching. We were NOT talking about the kind of hatracking that Dan posted some pictures of.
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The pictures were submitted by the arborist that did the work......
.....and the prevailing attitude was anything goes as long as we get paid.
The thread was a good insight into the minds of arborist(lack of a better word) who abuse trees for the money and do so without remorse.
hows about er change this topic to work ethics around the world? seems like every one every where has the same problem,but at the end of the day you gotta do what the client says ,how many times any one done an unecisary 25% reduction made the tree looked balanced and walked away to say im happy with that to have a customer say i want more off!
a good reduction is like a good hair cut its hard to say it was cut in the first place....but its hard if the client expects some butchered mess to look at.
I had a job the clients wanted trees topped that was for a local parish council,it took me a booklet made up of articles and bits of shigo i showed and gave out at the council meetings on the reasons on why trees should not be topped,but i do think they only took my advice on the job becouse my price for the reductions was 1/4 of the the price of the pollarding they wanted.
How many times have i sat there and been asked for an opinon on what to do with my tree ,i have said what i recommend and i might as well of not bothered coz the customer no matter what you say has that phobia they want the tree that certain height.
Luckily conservation areas and TPO's prevent most of this!
a good reduction is like a good hair cut its hard to say it was cut in the first place....but its hard if the client expects some butchered mess to look at.
I had a job the clients wanted trees topped that was for a local parish council,it took me a booklet made up of articles and bits of shigo i showed and gave out at the council meetings on the reasons on why trees should not be topped,but i do think they only took my advice on the job becouse my price for the reductions was 1/4 of the the price of the pollarding they wanted.
How many times have i sat there and been asked for an opinon on what to do with my tree ,i have said what i recommend and i might as well of not bothered coz the customer no matter what you say has that phobia they want the tree that certain height.
Luckily conservation areas and TPO's prevent most of this!
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Having finally read thru this whole thread, I was haunted by the repetition of extreme attitude. Is topping really the biggest issue??? I think the whole issue of profit before proper practises is really the issue. Topping is just one of many issues. Removing trees instead of pruning because the "client asked for it" removing a big limb for a house addition that could've been resituated. On and on..
In essence IMHO, the best approach is a hollistic one. Meaning as some have suggested already, developing a long term relationship with clients to manage the overall health and vitality of the trees within the bounds of their property. Taking a consultative approach and using the first call as an opportunity to discuss the importance to the client of such a program.
Every profession have ethical issues that lead to the creation of code of ethics for members to follow. They also have regulations dictating punitive actions for the breach of these codes. Everyone of those codes has come out of actions of members who conducted themselves in a way that was inappropriate. In otherwords unethical behaviour isn't exclusive to arboriculture.
If we manage the relationship for the long term we will have the opportunity to steer the health of that small section of the urban canopy in the right direction and to do what is best for everyone and everything concerned...
In essence IMHO, the best approach is a hollistic one. Meaning as some have suggested already, developing a long term relationship with clients to manage the overall health and vitality of the trees within the bounds of their property. Taking a consultative approach and using the first call as an opportunity to discuss the importance to the client of such a program.
Every profession have ethical issues that lead to the creation of code of ethics for members to follow. They also have regulations dictating punitive actions for the breach of these codes. Everyone of those codes has come out of actions of members who conducted themselves in a way that was inappropriate. In otherwords unethical behaviour isn't exclusive to arboriculture.
If we manage the relationship for the long term we will have the opportunity to steer the health of that small section of the urban canopy in the right direction and to do what is best for everyone and everything concerned...
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How many times have i sat there and been asked for an opinon on what to do with my tree ,i have said what i recommend and i might as well of not bothered coz the customer no matter what you say has that phobia they want the tree that certain height.
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How many times have i sat there and been asked for an opinon on what to do with my tree ,i have said what i recommend and i might as well of not bothered coz the customer no matter what you say has that phobia they want the tree that certain height.
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See attached advert I run.
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At this point I would rather sell my non-existent children than sell my business!
Tree work is a big part of my life and I would not want to let it go. Just cant imagine life without it.
I could buy my friends muffler shop and make more money, or another friends auto repair shop. But working trees is what I really like.
Where else can you do so many exciting things every day?
Tree work is a big part of my life and I would not want to let it go. Just cant imagine life without it.
I could buy my friends muffler shop and make more money, or another friends auto repair shop. But working trees is what I really like.
Where else can you do so many exciting things every day?
axe knot, treeco will get his due reward soon enough!
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