Wisconsin Climbers

Hi, guys just wanted to introduce myself hopefully this is the correct location to do so. Anyways I'm located on the WI/IL border and am looking for climbers in the area that would be willing to share their wisdom and possibly teach me a little. I've never climbed before but my hobby is forcing me to learn. I'm a falconer and plan to pull a goshawk from the national forest in northern Wisconsin in a couple months and in order to do so I need to learn to climb. Nothing like having some of the most aggressive birds of prey dive bombing you when your 75 feet in the air. I'm sure it's probably more common than I'd imagine but either way, I hope to get a lot from this forum and be well prepared for when the time comes, wish me luck and it's a pleasure to meet you
 
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I hope this is legal.
"Under the MBTA (Migratory Bird Treaty Act), it is illegal for people to "take" migratory birds, their eggs, feathers or nests. Take is defined in the MBTA to "include by any means or in any manner, any attempt at hunting, pursuing, wounding, killing, possessing or transporting any migratory bird, nest, egg, or part thereof". Falconers are allowed to trap, and otherwise possess certain birds of prey and their feathers with special permits issued by the Migratory Bird Office of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and by state wildlife agencies (issuers of trapping permits)."

So legal with a permit, but why when there are falcon breeders out there specifically for falconers?
 
Interesting...

Can you share with the gang a bit of the back-story?

How do you get permitted?

A friend of mine worked for the feds on a national wildlife refuge. From him I learned that anything associated with a migratory bird was highly regulated. To my surprise I found out that even having a feather was illegal! Whew!!!

How did you get the bird in the picture?

Do you start with a nestling? Is that the right word?
 
Yes, sir it is. Took me 4 years to get to the point that it is but its all legal. I have to be supervised by a ranger while doing it as well.

Here's a picture of me with one of my redtails I've hunted with


Amazing birds!

A few years ago I was stranded in Beloit (very nice city) for two days when the brake line blew on my truck. Stuffed my face at this restaurant called Little Mexico across from the hotel the entire time. To this day, the best chimichangas I have ever experienced.

Sorry I can't make it over there to help you learn to climb, but I can at least offer up lunch ideas for anyone making the journey.
 
This was typed on my phone forgive me for any spelling mistakes, you have to love autocorrect....

No problem guys I'd be more than happy to share some information on falconry, I realize like anything not everyone agrees with it but it's my life's passion and I try to be the best embassidor I can.

Falconry is defined as the taking of wild quarry with a trained bird of prey.

It's been around for at least 4,000 years and is still a widely practiced sport in the Middle East and Europe these are currently 4,000 falconers in the use and about 100 in Wisconsin with less than 50 of them probably active

That being said there are many ways to do that as there is with any hunting. There are 3 main classes of birds we hunt. Longwings which are Falcons, shortwings which are accipiters like a goshawk and broad wings like redtails. Each hunting style and the game pursued is very different. Most falconer fly broadwing like a redtail or harris hawk as they are the most readily available and are the golden lab of falconry.

To get into falconry you first must pass a state mandated test, build facilities and build or purchase equipment and have it inspected by he dnr and find a sponsor who has been doing falconry for at least 4 years if not longer. Once you complete all the task you are permitted to trap a passage redtail hawk or kestrel. A passage bird is a first year bird. You must apprentice under your sponsor for two years and then they get the final say if they upgrade you to a general, make you apprentice longer or if you don't become a falconer. It's a very self regulating sport as well as regulated. It's the last regulated hunting activity in the US.

So once you become a general your allowed to fly more than one bird and it opens up the opportunity to fly bird that you previously couldn't. Except bald eagles , even though birds like osprey, owls for the most part, and a few others make for horrible falconry birds. We are not currently allowed to trap golden eagles though there are a few around the USA.

I decided after my apprenticeship to attempt to fly goshawks and I say attempt because they are 10 fold harder to fly than a redtail but when a goshawk is flying 100 percent there's nothing like it. Which gets into why pull a wild bird?

We have 3 options as falconers we can trap passage birds which are first years birds to protect the breeding stock and honestly they are much easier to train. A note on that 70 percent of first year birds don't make it there first year. Then we can pull a wild chick or eyass as we call them. Or we can buy birds as a chick or raised by its parents. Id say the average price is 3000 for one.

Well there's no substitute for a wild bird in my eyes, it's not necessarily cheaper by any means but the trill of trapping or pulling is part of falconry for me. Some birds like redtail you neve pull as young or imprint a passage bird is far superior. But accipiters in general and in my case a goshawk imprinting is preferred. For a lack of better words passage accipiters are nuts and are very difficult to train. By imprinting we get to raise them to be comfortable around humans, have them experience many situations they normally never would and can form the bird into the perfect hunting companion.

Yes I can purchase a captive bred bird but they are pricey, there is a long waiting list normally, the bloodlines may be several generations old, and I feel you miss out on a huge experience by doing so. It's a freedom we as American falcones have that most countries don't as well. Wild take is fairly rare and I'd assume it's a freedom we will eventually loose as well due to groups like peta so I'd like to experience it while I can.

A little back story on me I worked with a rehab and education group for two years, before finding a sponsor. Luckly I was sponsored by one of the best falconers in the country. This will be my fourth year as a falconer and I've flown 3 wild trapped redtails and am excited for the opportunity to fly a goshawk. I currently farm and honestly this is pretty much my life i spend my entire winter hunting my birds 5 or so days a week. I have been primarily huting cottentail and squirrels but with a Goshawk I'll be able to hunt duck, pheasant. Also I'll travel out west and hunt jackrabbits. Which redtails can take as well just not as successfully.

A side note there a bird of prey misses 19 out of 20 times on a good year I'm lucky to take 40 or 50 head of game.

Well hope than answers some questions and feel free to ask me any you would have I'm a open book. Thanks again for your time. Michael Cogar
 
Thanks for taking the time to share your story. Very interesting!

Here's my story...

My commute takes me on the freeway through the center of Minneapolis then north parallel to the Mississippi...about three blocks east.

One day I took my exit ramp and saw a hawk fly down from a tree along the fence. It glided low and dove down on the slope to my left. I was coasting for the red light with no one behind me so I pushed the brake to see if the hawk was successful.

It WAS! It hit and came up with a mouse or some rodent.

The hawk arced back up towards the tree. Then I had to hit my brakes because it went right across my windshield, maybe twenty feet ahead. So flippin' COOL!

I know that the 19/20 ratio must make them hungry!
 
We have sharpshins and barred owls that live in the woodlot behind our house. The owls talk to us all the time and the hawk's mating flights are awesome to watch. Years ago a falconer was giving a seminar at a fraternity house at Penn State and flew his goshawk in the house. Way cool!
 
Hi, guys just wanted to introduce myself hopefully this is the correct location to do so. Anyways I'm located on the WI/IL border and am looking for climbers in the area that would be willing to share their wisdom and possibly teach me a little. I've never climbed before but my hobby is forcing me to learn. I'm a falconer and plan to pull a goshawk from the national forest in northern Wisconsin in a couple months and in order to do so I need to learn to climb. Nothing like having some of the most aggressive birds of prey dive bombing you when your 75 feet in the air. I'm sure it's probably more common than I'd imagine but either way, I hope to get a lot from this forum and be well prepared for when the time comes, wish me luck and it's a pleasure to meet you



Hey, another Mike.
Hi. I'm Mike Minardi, i've been a climbing arborist since 2000, and have competed in ISA climbing competitions at local and international levels. More recently I've been volunteering at Four Lakes Wildlife Center, caring for mostly for raptors. This also will be the third year renesting owls,pryor to their branching stage. Mostly great horns, some screech, and barred. I'd be interested in learning more. Please give a call if you're interested.
Thanks, Mike (608)345-0597
 
I'm in Waterford, WI about an hour or so from you. Your more than welcome to come up by me and I can spend some time showing you different climbing and access techniques. Also you can try out a few different types of gear to get an idea of what you might want to buy if you don't have everything already. Sounds like a very interesting hobby you have. I also have a lot of grey squirrels running around my back yard, your more than welcome to take as many of those as you want too. Tom 262-902-6819 TimberTimeTree.com
 
Welcome Mike and thanks for sharing so deeply all of that interesting info and story. I have always wondered how it worked with falconry.

Can a person make 2-cycle gas engine noise going up to a nest? I have a motorized climbing tool called a Wraptor. With that and installing the climb line with a Big Shot (8 ft tall sling shot) I have thought of offering to give a local hawk researcher an up close and personal experience that I know he will never have on his own.

Look forward to hearing of your continued adventure and success.
 
Last year we had a Sharp-Shinned Hawk hunting off of our bird feeder, right outside the kitchen window. It was an amazing sight, to watch it nail sparrows within 3 feet of our faces. It could clearly see us, and kept one eye on us, but it did not seem terribly bothered with our watching him. He would tear a sparrow apart and eat it so fast that we were stunned. They're small, so my guess is that they can't afford to take their time and lose a meal to a larger predator. I'm guessing it took him about 30 seconds to eat everything but the skin and feathers, and he would leave the bigger bones. Wasn't much left for the neighborhood cats.

The day after we watched this, we were on the front porch and he came back. This time he was terrorizing a squirrel on the cable/phone lines that run up/down the alley.
It was really funny to watch. He finally got the terrified squirrel pinned against a pole, then landed on the wire about 4 feet away. The squirrel kept looking over at us like he was saying, "Is he still there? I'm so fuckered." I thought the squirrel could whup the hawk's ass, it clearly weighed more, judging from the sag each made in the line. But, the squirrel seemed to know better. After about ten minutes the hawk got bored and flew off down the alley after a flock of sparrows. Squirrel ran straight down the pole and jetted up the nearest tree. The wife and I got a huge laugh out of it all, and learned that hawks have balls the size of grapefruit.

I watched falconers out in Colorado back in the 70's hunting with their birds, a Peregrine Falcon and a Red Tailed Hawk, and have always thought it was a fascinating hobby. When asked years later, I volunteered to build some flight pens for a raptor rescue group in this state, for the cost of materials. Last I heard, they're still in use.

Welcome to the buzz, and thanks for the information about the time and work involved with just getting to the point where you can legally own the birds. Amazing hobby.
 
Very interesting stuff. I have a second hand story for you you guys ...

My dad was in the barn a while back and herd something flopping around. That in itself is amazing because his hearing is terrible but he kept hearing it and finally went to look for. It after chores were done... Found it in the empty silo ..... It was an owl .... Apparently there's some physics about bigger birds in silos its oh 20 or 24ft diameter 60ft tall. It kept trying to fly up and out when all it had to do is walk out the doors into the barn maybe the 4ft drop from the last door was to much for it ?? .... Anyways dad said the poor thing tried a few times and then sat there looking at him so he walked over to it and it stood its ground and eventually let him pick it up he took it back to the house mom took a pic real quick then he took it outside and set it down in the back yard it just stood there for a while. They dident think it was going to make it but after maybe 20 min or so they said it took off and flew about 30 yards and almost looked like it fell out of the air. Dad thought for sure it must be purely exhausted but it popped back up and looked like it had something in it claws field mouse maybe then continued flying out of site. uploadfromtaptalk1456402030972.webp

Jesse
 
Welcome Mike and thanks for sharing so deeply all of that interesting info and story. I have always wondered how it worked with falconry.

Can a person make 2-cycle gas engine noise going up to a nest? I have a motorized climbing tool called a Wraptor. With that and installing the climb line with a Big Shot (8 ft tall sling shot) I have thought of offering to give a local hawk researcher an up close and personal experience that I know he will never have on his own.

Look forward to hearing of your continued adventure and success.
Merle,

Consider an counter-weighted "elevator" (first person climbs, and installs system, then, while descending the tree on a fixed point on the rope,is the counterweight to pull up the second)

or

putting the Wraptor on a DdRT system, keeping the wraptor on the ground, redirected at the base of the tree, and extended to your feasible distance.


Cool, Mike!
 
Sorry, guys didn't see your replys. I was getting email updates and they stopped.

Unfortunately the wraptor wouldn't work. We want to spend as little time as humanly possible climbing to the nest pulling and getting back down. One of the biggest issue is human scent, fishers and raccoons will pick up on it come investigate and find the nest killing the rest of the young.

I appreciate all of your story's, I absolutely love hearing them. As a falconer everyone shares their story's with me and they never get old, I always tell people when they are done with their story's and that's why I practice falconry I get to see that kind of stuff every time I fly my birds it's just amazing. All though barn owls are super rare and and endangered in most states now and that really is a once in a lifetime experience Jesse I've personally never seen one in the wild.

Also I appreciate all of the feedback and offers I'll definitely be in touch with those that offered, it's amazing how welcoming everyone's been. What a great forum, if anyone's ever near by they are always welcome to tag along as well, my season is from Octoberish till now, I just called my season and will be releasing my current bird within the next month or so.

Thanks again everyone. I hope to keep everyone up to date and please feel free to keep sharing story's and any help is appreciated
 

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