Who's Doing the Necessary Work?

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Bucknut and TC, thank you for your intelligent input.

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No problem, I just want left leaning Americans to realise how seriously important it is that America is the dominant force in the world. To put it simply you don't have a choice.

Why is it the left can't see the true nature of the world?

Do you really think Islam is a tolerant religion of peace?

'Dar al-Islam' (House of Islam, the term used by Muslim scholars to refer to those countries where Muslims can practice their religion freely. It's the area of the world under the rule of Islam , literally, "the home of Islam" or "the home of submission."

Then you have 'Dar al-Harb' (House of war), this is the part of the world not under Islam, the west specifically. Militant Islam will continue this war until they have won and succeeded in creating a worldwide Caliphate.

"As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle 'in the path of Allah,' or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.

People need to wake up to reality, especially the left in America and Europe. The left in the US and Europe need a freshly brewed strong black coffee placed under their noses.
 
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Spoken like a priviledged white heterosexual male. yours is the only opinion that holds water, everyone else needs to wake up and smell the jesus. Is Christianity a tolerant religion of peace? Give me a break rich white Christian males have carried out genocide of other cultures for centuries. You reap what you sew.
 
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Man just when I was about to say something Mac took the spot light... Also since when is Socialism analogous to Communism? This is the left over red scare commie [pick a different word], "damn commie unions fighting for a 8hr day, and all that other crap they did"
Religious wars suck, this is nothing new, its been going on for the past 2000 years. There is some truth the benevolence with radical Islam does exist, it exists in other forms... Look at the westburo baptist church. I'd be pissed as hell having my doors bashed in by men in uniforms with guns, and my neighbors house blown to [pick a different word] by a drone.
 
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To quote Bucknut

"Take my point above about the EPA regulating emissions. Sure, it sounds like a great idea to reduce what we put into the air. But sure enough, it trickles down to our little industry in the form of limiting emissions for weedwackers and chainsaws! What percent of world pollution do you suppose is caused by chainsaws? .000000000001? They regulate to achieve THEIR vision of what the world SHOULD be, facts, logic and reality be damned."

Um no, in California it was upwards of 5% of hydrocarbon sources that contribute to ground level ozone prior to 1997. Since the first Tier of regulatory targets it was reduced to around 1%. Our little industry is just part of the bigger marketplace for small engines that account for these numbers.

When I lived in downtown Ottawa near a major bus and truck route I couldn't leave my windows open due to the particulate coating over everything in the apt. Granted that was in the 80s but it was an eye opener because I heard the same thing about clean air laws then that I hear now.

The notion that where we are is ok and now nothing else should be done makes no sense. We still have air quality issues that we need to deal with. Hey it even creates skilled jobs in the US. Oh, and it's regulated because industry wont do anything on its own.

Sorry about the derail...
 
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Foreigners saying that sort of thing are repeating what they hear on the news. The same goes for you.

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Maybe you mistook my position TreeLogic. I was in Sweden buying a car (consuming) and importing it used (not paying new vehicle tax). Hardly a “un-American” thing to do. What I was saying, in agreeing with Glenn’s statement about a “meritocracy” was, most Americans see it that way, but many foreigners do not. Sometimes an outside perspective is valuable- even if you don’t agree. It inspired me to increase my understanding about our tax system and how the rich get richer here. You might want to do the same.
 
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Also, to derail a bit. The only criminals that are coddled in America are white, if you think people of color are coddled by our "justice" system you need to reconnect with reality.

And I'd love to give socialism a try, cause capitalism is getting most of the population effing nowhere.

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Furthermore the overpopulated prison system in becoming privatized. Another example of a flaw in our capitalist system. IMO many of us don’t recognize the “socialist” systems we have in place already. They’ve been a worthy contributor to American greatness- schools, fire departments, DOD, ect.
Why the term Socialism has been demonized I can’t figure out. I don’t think it would work here but it has, is, and will continue to work in lots of other places in the world.
 
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Bucknut and TC, thank you for your intelligent input.

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No problem, I just want left leaning Americans to realise how seriously important it is that America is the dominant force in the world. To put it simply you don't have a choice.

Why is it the left can't see the true nature of the world?

Do you really think Islam is a tolerant religion of peace?

'Dar al-Islam' (House of Islam, the term used by Muslim scholars to refer to those countries where Muslims can practice their religion freely. It's the area of the world under the rule of Islam , literally, "the home of Islam" or "the home of submission."

Then you have 'Dar al-Harb' (House of war), this is the part of the world not under Islam, the west specifically. Militant Islam will continue this war until they have won and succeeded in creating a worldwide Caliphate.

"As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle 'in the path of Allah,' or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.

People need to wake up to reality, especially the left in America and Europe. The left in the US and Europe need a freshly brewed strong black coffee placed under their noses.

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Christianity scare me about the same. I take it you dont have many cross cultural friends.
 
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Christianity scare me about the same. I take it you dont have many cross cultural friends.

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'cross culture'?? Islam leaves no room for cross culture

watch this video to understand exactly what is happening with Islam in the UK and other western countries including America -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH6QO9MfaH4


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A qoute I feel was a warning from someone who's vision created this great country:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property- until their children wake up homeless in the continent thier fathers conquered."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1802

IMO it all began on Jekyll Island as the brainchild of the rich and powerful. Known to us now as the Federal Reserve.
 
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That's a good one. Here's one from our 1st President:

"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." - George Washington
 
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Arguments that appeal to authority must stand on their own merits. Washington's quotation has been proven inaccurate by secular Scandinavian societies far less dysfunctional than our own.

Now could we please move the religious discussion elsewhere?
 
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Glenn, you know it's funny, when history isn't popular, somehow it just gets changed.

Anyway, though I feel it has some pertinence in the thread, at least as far as morality in the business world is concerned, I'll try to practice restraint.

So where are we? Wall Street? Socialism?
 
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I started this thread because I'm not particularly impressed with the financial elite's work ethic compared to the average industrious blue-collar worker. It's trivially easy to dismiss the idea that young Wall Streeters work 35 times harder than an average tree company owner.

Somewhere too close to twenty percent of our population doesn't get adequate nutrition and it's not because they're lazy or stupid, it's because our system is inherently unfair. If you think it's fair that 95% of the recent post-recession economic gains have gone to less than 1% of our population, please explain why.
 
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If I was elected president I would turn the military into an accounting firm to go after larger than life companies and find some really good era's in how some companies handle their money. Basically, Robin Hood.

This is a very interesting thread.

Glenn you met the wall streeter, could he handle the work or not based on you evaluation of him? I couldn't care less what someone did in their past. If the initiative was there then I would give him a try. He wasn't sitting there mobbing up a bloody nose or anything was he?
 
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