Who is this groundy.....

so funny to see, so horrible to see it does happen. is it the groundies fault that it happend? no 'dynamic' braking of the treetop it seems? I wonder how or why that top fly so far of that trunk? that did contribute to that swing i believe. was that to much 'dynamic' or slack in the start of the tops fall?

Ronald
 
Whoever that guy was on the ropes needed to have his @*% kicked. Or whoever put him on the ropes. That climber went for a big ride. Good thing he was anchored off with a climb line or else he would of been to the ground.
 
He was only using his lanyard for the work posistion. It seems his climbing line is down a few feet below his feet. If he need help getting down because of an injury it definetly would have taken time.
 
Looks like 2 things To much slack and no dynamic brakeing. IT seemed almost a 20 ft fall before there was an actual slow down. and then a sudden stop. Of course you hear the sorry right after word maybee the rope got caught up some how. There is one thing I learned about judging things from a distance if your not right next to the guy dont try abd guess what went on.
 
It looks like his lanyard caught a nub on the way down. I've looked at it a dozen times in slow motion and I don't see his climbing rope even around the tree.

That plus the one handed cutting of the top makes it look like the climber and groundie are well matched.

Some limbs left on the tree would have provide some 'mass dampening' and would have slowed down the motion quite a bit.

Dan
 
True. Leaving stubs in general is asking for trouble later. It looks like really bad timing on the rope end, almost perfectly wrong. Watching it, it looks like the line pays out too far too fast and then stops too quickly, always a bad combo. Though the climber certainly could have operated more safely, the line looks taut as it goes over. There is too much distance to the pulley from the cut but it's not insane. A bit of culpability on both, but more the rope handler, I think. I'll bet someone had a sore back and knees, at least.
 
well,he is a lucky sob.He could have easily dislocated a shoulder with that rag tag manouver. I wounder what they were using as a break device if any. It's a good thing he did leave a couple stobs other wise he might have been bouncing his way down the tree.

Greg
 
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the line looks taut as it goes over. There is too much distance to the pulley from the cut but it's not insane.

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I would have put a half hitch just above the wedge cut but did you know that the distance from the felling cut to where the rope is tied on the top does not increase the distance of fall?

Dan
 
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That is part of the movie that Kiah was trying to attach from Australia.

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I've tried and tried to get Kiah's attachment to play, but I couldn't view any of it. This one played fine. Is there much difference in what she showed and what is shown here?
 
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I would have put a half hitch just above the wedge cut but did you know that the distance from the felling cut to where the rope is tied on the top does not increase the distance of fall?


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You're right, a half hitch or marl is always a good idea. As to distance, I was talking about the distance from the cut to the pulley. That does make a difference in how far it drops before the rope is able to slow it.
 
OUCH, that hurt just watching it. Is there any way to find out if the poor climber was hurt???

The wind looked like it was blowing good pretty, the climber was working with the wind, that might have kicked that top out a little farther than normal, another factor would be the type of notch he cut, a conventional notch will kick a piece out farther from the spar than an open face would.

Would doubling the lanyard around the stem kept him in place better and more secured??? I do this when working on those skinny spars just for a little insurance when I feel I'm going to get rocked from a piece after it lets go.

Larry
 
Yes doubling the lanyard makes one feel much better, also set a climb line on a false crotch for a second means of attatchment and a quick descent if needed.
As for distance of fall, I believe it's:

Distance of Fall = Distance from the Block to Center of
Gravity of the Falling Piece times 2.

So all things being equal-block position compared to notch compared to tie off, the distance of fall will be different with a 10 foot spar than a 20 foot spar.
Of course a close block to notch position enables greater control, but don't forget about the extra inertia factor when dealing with longer spars.

Like demo said , I can't guess what happened without being there but I'd bet money that climber got real hurt.
 
When Im climbing I always leave a nub about 20ft apart from the other and about 2 inches long nothing big. The top might get hung up but if that was me I wouldn't go sliding the whole way down. Just a thought.
 
Actually, I work with "groundies" that do that to me all the time. I compensate by roping smaller pieces, and my technique for securing my perch is to become at one with the tree. With my left arm I grip around the trunk as it's bending forward, squashing my left pec into the tree. As it snaps backward I go with it, hardly feeling anything.

If your body is NOT CONNECTED to the spar, your ass is grass.
 
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