War for water

treebear

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They say the next war will over a dispute on water supplies.
No reason to fight, we can share, last 30 days we´ve had 555mm of rain and would be more than happy to trade some of it with a little sunshine!
 
Yes you mentioned that recently somewhere that a lot of rain fell in November, some 495mm I think.

We are in severe drought! We have 24% water left in our dams and no rain in sight. So much for the global warming it's gonna piss down idea.

Where I was originally from, Adelaide, their annual rainfall was 550mm. You guys got that in a month.

Must be flooded there and miserable though, enough is enough hey. Soldier on.
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This goes back to the Tasmanian Story.

Human conflict is centred on resources.

The European settlers wanted all the resources on Tasmania for themselves so they wiped out the Aboriginal Tasmanians.

Like Hitler's 'Lebenstraum' or 'living space' for the German people.

That was what the Rwandan genocide was about, population explosion combined with drying up water wells. The two tribes differences were magnified, then became a convenient catalyst for the massacre.

Same story with the first americans and the Native American Indians - resources.
 
On tonights news they mentioned something about an "expert" trying to prove that the Hitler era was much less than it has been potrayed and that they will disprove the numbers of people slaughtered and tell how the pictures were doctored. What do you make of that?
 
I giess you´re talking about the "Holocaust" conference in Iran where international experts on the subject like a former Ku Klux Klan leader are going to discuss wether it took place or not.
Back to subjeckt - anyone interested in some water? fob if quick decision.
Svein
 
this the same conference where experts who CAN prove the holocaust did happen have been denied visa's and entry?
 
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On tonights news they mentioned something about an "expert" trying to prove that the Hitler era was much less than it has been potrayed and that they will disprove the numbers of people slaughtered and tell how the pictures were doctored. What do you make of that?

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The so called 'expert' is a repugnant human being.

The main reason we know that the Holocaust happened is that Hitler and the Nazis in their deluded assumption, believed they would reign for 1000 years. So they created mountains of files which included - eye witness testimonies, reports, photographs and films of just about every atrocity they carried out. They of course did not call them atrocities. They were carrying out Hitlers project of extermination.

They were going to use this information to write the begining of a new history. A history which they thought would begin with Nazi domination of the world.

So.........They were anal retentive when it came to recording details.

This is why there is so much evidence.
 
I recall in high school (late '70s) seeing film footage of a man wearing a German officer's uniform shooting a mangy prisoner-looking dude in the head with a pistol resulting in the guy falling into an open pit evidently containing a bunch of folks who'd gone before him. I wondered to myself "why would anyone film that?" I also wondered if it wasn't actually taken after the Russians overran the Germans; maybe like they'd donned the captured uniforms and picked up the captured cameras to create some propaganda. It wasn't until years later that I discovered other folks also thought maybe it was (in part?) a grand hoax. Not to mention that Stalin had pretty much buried in mass graves many more people than Hitler was supposed to have exterminated, but I guess that didn't result in the forcible creation of a new homeland in the middle east so it wasn't important. I find it suspect that just about the time the general public might be showing signs of forgetting "The Holocaust" some new memorial or such gets broad news coverage. I'm not saying I think nobody died; just that I highly doubt it was actually what's been made of it.
 
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I'm not saying I think nobody died; just that I highly doubt it was actually what's been made of it.

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C'mon glens, you cant be serious, get some history books from your local library.

We must never forget that the Holocaust happened.

The cruelty inflicted on the Jewish population of Germany and other European countries was barbarism carried out by otherwise highly educated people.

Thats what makes it so frightening and cold blooded.....the systematic slaughter of a race.

Millions of innocent people were stripped naked and thrown into gas chambers with their families and friends.
 
My great uncle has lots of pictures from his experience over in europe.

Germans taped and documented everything cause they thought what they were doing was right and just. thats whats scary.

Germany was not alone in its holocaust, turkey, america, russia, and many other countries have commited holocausts of differnt sorts.
 
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C'mon glens, you cant be serious, get some history books from your local library.

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The cruelty inflicted on the Jewish population ... [was] the systematic slaughter of a race.

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I don't intend to debate the "facts" of the matter here in the forum. I believe I was clear in the quite plausible things I said about my skepticism regarding it, and any reasonable (and reasonably curious) individual should dutifully question things they're told; especially if they have not witnessed it first-hand (but even still, then).

People often lie about things. Sometimes it's just for a bit of fun and is otherwise harmless; others it's malicious and with a definite agenda. And then there are those who are honestly mistaken about what they've seen; as well those who just innocently run with what they've been told. I'm sure the bulk of the German citizenry of the 1940's fall into that last classification just like folks of today who blindly carry the party banner, whatever it may be at the moment.

Ever hear the notion expressed that history is written by the victorious? Think there might be some grain of truth to the opposing (losing, suppressed) viewpoint? How many people have been convicted of criminal behavior (with it being recorded at the library as historical fact) only to be exonerated at a later date (sometimes after their execution) when better evidence comes to light? Just going to the library sometimes does not give one the truest picture of historical events.

Question everything.

Read your Bible and you'll (should) quickly discover that being "Jewish" is most certainly not a racial thing. Anyone can become a "Jew" (barring the technicality that the covenant no longer exists; again, see your Bible) and anyone can cease being one. It matters not one whit their racial heritage. Do you envision there being no "Jews" "holocausted" who looked and sounded exactly like those doing the "holocausting"? Were they all "racially" distinguishable from the (typical) "master race" individual?

I don't intend to discuss this further. I believe I've said quite enough to make all the point I want to make here. And you're very likely not going to convince me to change my mind unless you can bring heretofore hidden evidence to light; trust me when I say I've investigated the topic quite extensively from both sides of the argument.
 
The Holocaust is one of the best documented horrors in the history and there are still survivors alive to document it as eye witness.
I agree that history is written by the victorious but in this case they didn´t have to do that, it was all recorded most thoroughly by the nazis.
I understand that you americans have to live with a general mistrust of your authorities and government and it is always healthy to be a bit sceptical on what you are being told but I believe this is the wrong case to be sceptical about, it is just too well documented.
Svein
 
It's true that as Americans, we're fed some fantastic information of the world, and of ourselves. It's like a family thing, where they didn't mention that Grampa gambled away a small fortune on the grain futures, or that Uncle Bud had a penchant for teenage boys.

In my case it was two-fold family censorship...Gramps was a Nazi physician and Grandma was a fullblood Blackfoot indian. Until after their deaths the children were kept from knowing the heritage. It was suppossed to be an embarrassment.

We were as American as Ozzy and Harriet, problem was they were actors but America believed the television.

And Jews weren't the only persecuted, rounded-up, and sent to their deaths by decree...anyone who thru organization and advocacy protested the edicts of the Third Reich were also systematically murdered.
 
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People often lie about things.

Ever hear the notion expressed that history is written by the victorious? Think there might be some grain of truth to the opposing (losing, suppressed) viewpoint?

Question everything.

You're very likely not going to convince me to change my mind



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How cliched can you get, another ranting conspiracy theorist.

You'd probably tell me that some covert influential Jewish organization is responsible for exaggerating the Holocaust.

The Extermination of the Jews during WW2 is not an unexplained situation.

Even Ex-Nazis who worked in the following extermination camps have spoken openly that these atrocities happened.

AUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAU
BELZEC
MAIDANEK
SOBIBOR
TREBLINKA
CHELMNO
STUTTHOF

The following concentration camps where thousands were tortured and brutalised and starved to death also have many witnesses from both sides still living.

BERGEN-BELSEN
DACHAU
BUCHENWALD
FLOSSENBURG
GROSS-ROSEN
SACSENHAUSEN
RAVENSBRUCK
NEUENGAMME
NATZWEILER
THERESIENATADT
MAUTHAUSEN
VAUGHT

Contrary to your skeptical imagination glens these places actually existed
Hitler planned a Museum of Jewish Culture, to be cited in Prague - a Museum of an Extinct People.

Nazism was a rag bag of ideas, including occultist philosphies that rejected modern science.

But through breeding high-quality people and eliminating those they judged inferior - Hitler believed that he could make the Aryan race the masters of the Earth.

The point here is that Hitler, was a maniacal mess of contradictions insanely chasing racial conquest and genocide.

Grow up glens

Why do think the SS Nazis wore a skull and crossbones on their hats?
 
Copy that with the proviso that I'm not (too) upset by it.

AK, I'm aware of all that you mention and in no way wish to do/say anything to in any way even project the slightest tendency to lean towards justification of anyone's actions in the matter, before, during, or after. Including those who've misused the tragedy to achieve other tragedy.

I have nothing personal against any Jewish people as such. Since I prefer to have the sole choice of religion to practice I reserve everyone else's choice to practice whatever religion tickles their fancy.

Calling it a racial thing invokes the same type of reaction in me as hearing an ATM being called an "ATM machine", a PIN a "PIN number", etc. Those in particular are redundancies which is not a shared element with this discussion; just that they represent the same sort of incorrectness as Jewish=racial speak.
 
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