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I support glens' position.
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If you're referring to that Grand Canyon statement you either want to add a smiley like I did or consider what that smiley means and reconsider.
I've probably got more opinions to express about misunderstanding the first few chapters of the first book of the bible than about the last.
I've probably got more opinions to express about misunderstanding the first few chapters of the first book of the bible than about the last.
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- St. Paul, MN
I was not referring to the Grand Canyon post.
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- Boulder County, CO.
Glens' words:
" It" refers to the "event", not to quantities."
He has a nuanced "Holocaust denial": It is about the justifiablility of it, not the numbers of dead. He is open minded about this.
Glens, you have thrown massive quantities of shyte against the wall. For instance, you include a quote from Wikepedia, but fail to mention that the quote is from Goebbels, minister of propaganda for the Nazis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels. This quote goes to the motivation of the Nazis, and you use it to back your assertion that the "what/why" of "it" is "remembered" wrong. But "it" is remembered wrong only if that Nazi propaganda is true. It is a logical falacy to extend the (true) notion that history is written by the victors to an assumption that there is therefore necessarily truth to the propaganda of the losers. Read the Wikopedia Goebbels stuff.
Another: "Hitler told the international bankers to stuff it. He printed up tons of paper money to pay them off (remember hearing tales of German wives fetching their husband's pay several times a day to buy things with it while they could, and folks essentially carrying wheelbarrows of "money" around?) The banks didn't take it lightly. Pretty soon much of Europe lay in piles of rubble and was available for pennies on the dollar"
You are, of course, only paraphrasing "extremist sources", so you have plausible deniability worked into the statement. You're just the poor abused messenger. But you, Glens, use "international bankers" as a synonym or epithet for "Jews". That is basic Nazi propaganda, and it is also false. Then, you posit that it is just possible that the "bankers" i.e., Jews, are directly responsible for what Hitler did to Europe. That is crap as well.
One more: "[Who is it, as a group if it were one, that owns or controls the major media/entertainment/financial organizations pretty much worldwide?]"
Media? 19% of voting Jews voted for Bush in 2000. If "the Jews" control the media, why did they allocate something like 10,000 times as many words to Clinton's infidelity as they did to Bush's draft dodging/desertion? Why the firing of Rather (austensibly for minor innacuracies in a largely true story) and Moyers? Why no TV coverage of Bush never reporting for the Guard in Boston when he went to Harvard Business school? Why almost no coverage of his huge- grossing insider trade when he sold his Harken Energy stock, and the coverup that his dad's cronies engineered of that? Why the media cheerleading for the Iraq war that American Jews largely opposed? I could go on and on. Haiti, Matthew Cooper's Plame source, the burying of Pinsky's early stories about WMD intelligence, the fluff treatment of Alito and Roberts, etc. etc.
Still lots of Shyte sticking. Still, you never responded to my question about the illogic of systematic extermination (or, is this better: merely suggesting that there may be some validity to the justification that such killing)of the children of Jews for the theological life choices of their parents. If it's not racial for Hitler, then why kill the babies?
God help us all.
" It" refers to the "event", not to quantities."
He has a nuanced "Holocaust denial": It is about the justifiablility of it, not the numbers of dead. He is open minded about this.
Glens, you have thrown massive quantities of shyte against the wall. For instance, you include a quote from Wikepedia, but fail to mention that the quote is from Goebbels, minister of propaganda for the Nazis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels. This quote goes to the motivation of the Nazis, and you use it to back your assertion that the "what/why" of "it" is "remembered" wrong. But "it" is remembered wrong only if that Nazi propaganda is true. It is a logical falacy to extend the (true) notion that history is written by the victors to an assumption that there is therefore necessarily truth to the propaganda of the losers. Read the Wikopedia Goebbels stuff.
Another: "Hitler told the international bankers to stuff it. He printed up tons of paper money to pay them off (remember hearing tales of German wives fetching their husband's pay several times a day to buy things with it while they could, and folks essentially carrying wheelbarrows of "money" around?) The banks didn't take it lightly. Pretty soon much of Europe lay in piles of rubble and was available for pennies on the dollar"
You are, of course, only paraphrasing "extremist sources", so you have plausible deniability worked into the statement. You're just the poor abused messenger. But you, Glens, use "international bankers" as a synonym or epithet for "Jews". That is basic Nazi propaganda, and it is also false. Then, you posit that it is just possible that the "bankers" i.e., Jews, are directly responsible for what Hitler did to Europe. That is crap as well.
One more: "[Who is it, as a group if it were one, that owns or controls the major media/entertainment/financial organizations pretty much worldwide?]"
Media? 19% of voting Jews voted for Bush in 2000. If "the Jews" control the media, why did they allocate something like 10,000 times as many words to Clinton's infidelity as they did to Bush's draft dodging/desertion? Why the firing of Rather (austensibly for minor innacuracies in a largely true story) and Moyers? Why no TV coverage of Bush never reporting for the Guard in Boston when he went to Harvard Business school? Why almost no coverage of his huge- grossing insider trade when he sold his Harken Energy stock, and the coverup that his dad's cronies engineered of that? Why the media cheerleading for the Iraq war that American Jews largely opposed? I could go on and on. Haiti, Matthew Cooper's Plame source, the burying of Pinsky's early stories about WMD intelligence, the fluff treatment of Alito and Roberts, etc. etc.
Still lots of Shyte sticking. Still, you never responded to my question about the illogic of systematic extermination (or, is this better: merely suggesting that there may be some validity to the justification that such killing)of the children of Jews for the theological life choices of their parents. If it's not racial for Hitler, then why kill the babies?
God help us all.
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"[Who is it, as a group if it were one, that owns or controls the major media/entertainment/financial organizations pretty much worldwide?]"
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Again your right, I did notice that one.
How many times do people have to hear this lazy brained comment.
It so cliched and boring.
glens is a conspiracy theorist par excellant!
"[Who is it, as a group if it were one, that owns or controls the major media/entertainment/financial organizations pretty much worldwide?]"
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Again your right, I did notice that one.
How many times do people have to hear this lazy brained comment.
It so cliched and boring.
glens is a conspiracy theorist par excellant!
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- Boulder County, CO.
The top ten media conglomerates, as of 2002, according to the Nation: http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html
Of these, 8 can be easily researched as to their boards of directors.
http://www.att.com/gen/investor-relations?pid=5629
http://www.ge.com/en/company/companyinfo/executivebios/board_of_directors.htm
http://www.libertymedia.com/ir/governance_directors.htm#Board
http://www.newscorp.com/corp_gov/bod.html
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/governance.html
http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporate/board_of_directors.html
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/corp_governance/board_directors/index.html
http://www.viacom.com/directors.jhtml;jsessionid=ELCGY3QNW4FCOCQBAFLQ4CY
Only Viacom, among these, could be said to be "controlled" by Jews. Most have no or next to no representation from Jews. Or is there some other nefarious, hidden mechanism of control?
Of these, 8 can be easily researched as to their boards of directors.
http://www.att.com/gen/investor-relations?pid=5629
http://www.ge.com/en/company/companyinfo/executivebios/board_of_directors.htm
http://www.libertymedia.com/ir/governance_directors.htm#Board
http://www.newscorp.com/corp_gov/bod.html
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/governance.html
http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporate/board_of_directors.html
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/corp_governance/board_directors/index.html
http://www.viacom.com/directors.jhtml;jsessionid=ELCGY3QNW4FCOCQBAFLQ4CY
Only Viacom, among these, could be said to be "controlled" by Jews. Most have no or next to no representation from Jews. Or is there some other nefarious, hidden mechanism of control?
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- Boulder County, CO.
I figure God, Allah, any name will do, is God, right?
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- Boulder County, CO.
Join the club. I've been talking to myself for 3 days.
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It is a logical falacy to extend the (true) notion that history is written by the victors to an assumption that there is therefore necessarily truth to the propaganda of the losers.
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History is not written by the winners or losers it is written from personal experiences.
Anne Frank's Diary for example.
Fred let me know what you think of 'Anne Frank's Chestnut' in 'Bugs and Cruds' I would be interested to hear your opinion.
Thanks
It is a logical falacy to extend the (true) notion that history is written by the victors to an assumption that there is therefore necessarily truth to the propaganda of the losers.
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History is not written by the winners or losers it is written from personal experiences.
Anne Frank's Diary for example.
Fred let me know what you think of 'Anne Frank's Chestnut' in 'Bugs and Cruds' I would be interested to hear your opinion.
Thanks
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Join the club. I've been talking to myself for 3 days.
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Fred, I'll assume you're alluding to my working 14-hour days, on average, for the past 3 days (today being 17-1/2).
I haven't thrown anything against anywhere.
When I get some time to sift through your disjointed post-per-thought style I'll no doubt address some of it, but after a quick perusal my initial notion is that you'll be disappointed to find you're defending against an attack I've not made.
Join the club. I've been talking to myself for 3 days.
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Fred, I'll assume you're alluding to my working 14-hour days, on average, for the past 3 days (today being 17-1/2).
I haven't thrown anything against anywhere.
When I get some time to sift through your disjointed post-per-thought style I'll no doubt address some of it, but after a quick perusal my initial notion is that you'll be disappointed to find you're defending against an attack I've not made.
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- St. Paul, MN
"The top ten media conglomerates, as of 2002, according to the Nation: "
You don't have to own something in order to exercise control over it.
You don't have to own something in order to exercise control over it.
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- Boulder County, CO.
So, what then is the mechanism of control?
Glens,
The three days was a reference to the time it took me to get back to the computer (the sister-in-law was staying in my office, and I was giving her some space).
Glens,
The three days was a reference to the time it took me to get back to the computer (the sister-in-law was staying in my office, and I was giving her some space).
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