Video Spurclimber pruning w/o hardhat or glasses

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If you bid against this company you would be wise to be make your customer aware of the fact that your competition has used practices not inline with proper tree care in an effort to protect their trees.

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And who are you to cast stones? How many of us are perfect? Read the 6th post in this thread. There are many many companies in this area that have worse practices than was depicted in Mike's vid. And one in particular that that I will and do name to customers, as their sales tactics, and work practices are atrocious. Arbor Barber is not one of them. I will continue to give them a good rec if asked.

I'm friends with Mike, but have to agree with Franz, though his words were harsh. But that's just Franz.

Take the vid down, Mike.....
 
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AWAKEININGS, look @ my post. be safe! damaging the more than pruning alone produces is bad enough! spikes! but damaging yourself through bad practice as i did is even more stupid!!
 

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Re: Video Spurclimber pruning w/o hardhat or glass

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How many potential customers are going to find that clip on Youtube? I do not understand the goal here.

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Like throwing your glass a milk at the wall then whinning like a beatch you have none to drink. Man up and fact the facts of the soddy work you sell.

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Arbor Barber is not one of them. I will continue to give them a good rec if asked.

I'm friends with Mike, but have to agree with Franz, though his words were harsh. But that's just Franz.

Take the vid down, Mike.....

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Leave it up it's good for people to just what can come from ISA claiming companies. Better it nice to know that my point about the ISA just get proved each and every day.

Too bad for your girlfriend RB, make one wonder if said clusters infringe on eitchs also.
 
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Better it nice to know that my point about the ISA just get proved each and every day.

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Point? In the midst of all that incoherence there was no point, just a dull slap.

If that co. belongs to a chamber of commerce, would you slam the chamber for their practices?
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there was no point

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I've made many upon many pionts about ISA, like I said each day they get proved to be truthful.

A ISA person belong to this company at one point, It would be more than safe to say a practice like this, is not something that just happens over nite. It one that is biult into a company and it either is washed clean or it stays.
 
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What other questions should we be asking here? Thanks in advance for your answers.

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Why can't you get work enough to keep you busy so that you don't go oogling little prune jobs like this? That's the real question here. Posting the message and link on multiple sites and then staying silent while everyone goes off about it? The time you spent on this balony could have been used to update that useless website of yours. You do nothing for our industry with this message, other than to create dissention in the ranks. Save your energy for something worthwhile, like multi-nationals clearcutting oldgrowth. . oh yeah, we know where you stand on that one, or at least which way you'll lean for the right bucks. Take the video down chubby. .
 
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What other questions should we be asking here? Thanks in advance for your answers.

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Why can't you get work enough to keep you busy so that you don't go oogling little prune jobs like this? That's the real question here. Posting the message and link on multiple sites and then staying silent while everyone goes off about it? The time you spent on this balony could have been used to update that useless website of yours. You do nothing for our industry with this message, other than to create dissention in the ranks. Save your energy for something worthwhile, like multi-nationals clearcutting oldgrowth. . oh yeah, we know where you stand on that one, or at least which way you'll lean for the right bucks. Take the video down chubby. .

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Jeff,

This thread is about a company owned by a Certified Arborist spiking a prune job....and then claiming he didn't know his climber had on spikes. It's a lame situation that needs the attention it's getting.
 
The people in the video were being very stupid. Lack of PPE, improper work practices, etc.

The person making the video was being very stupid, and if he'd waltzed onto one of my job sites, my ground guys would have escorted him to the curb post-haste.
 
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This thread is about a company owned by a Certified Arborist spiking a prune job....and then claiming he didn't know his climber had on spikes. It's a lame situation that needs the attention it's getting.

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Hopefully for the business owner, the attention isn't much. If someone out there in his market starts slinging mud at his name and he looses reputation and money, that's a lame situation. Little mistakes happen all the time, but let ISA sling the mud if that's the credential at stake here. How about a company with no ISA affiliation have a climber 'outed' like this? Same authority to sling mud? I agree spurs were ridiculous in that tree (I would have doubled lanyarded if there was a freak with a camera. . and freeclimbed if I was frisky. . ), but who makes the call? How many climbers spur a fir in Seattle when pruning? Can we slander someone for that too? Or is it just spurs - can we publicly 'out' someone for the one-handed chainsaw?

This thread is a lame situation. Have a safe winter everyone.
 
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The person making the video was being very stupid, and if he'd waltzed onto one of my job sites, my ground guys would have escorted him to the curb post-haste.

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I wish someone would video me and post it. I would welcome it with open arms. I so need the publicity!!!
 
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I am Ryan Ringe, owner of the Arbor Barber. I have been on some other sites (TW, Tree house) posting replies/ comments. It took me a while to get registered here, and I was also on vacation visiting my mother so didn't have a lot of time to post, but am back now. I am going to post some of the replies here that I posted elsewhere, and I will be visiting now and again.
 
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Thanks for your message. I really appreciate it. Where to start. For some reason, Mr. Oxman doesn't believe anything that I have said about how we operate after speaking with him. I am glad that I found out about the safety violations and hook incident. I was shocked about the allegations of our safety violations. It is NOT normal and we have never ever hooked anything we were pruning before. It sheds a light for me that I need to have more spot checks and much more serious consequences for violations. I have also been continuing to improve on our safety manual and employee handbook. It is a positive thing to discuss ALL safety issues and I want to do that. It is difficult to keep a crew on top of all safety policies at all times, and this is a good topic for discussion. As far as the hooks go, I am flabbergasted that my employee was doing this. It is ok to use hook in a lead that is being removed, but completely unacceptable to keep them on to prune the tree. My lead pruner was gone that day, and my foreman should not have had him in the tree. He was working on the hedge that was important to the client, and didnt know he was using them.

I have read your thread and have registered for the site, and am awaiting the ok to start posting threads.

Having said that, I am quite upset with the situation, especially with Mr. Oxman. My wife never said that she was going to sue for slander, only that our lawyer (and she is one too) would be writing a letter to him. Oxman never called me until after he posted the video, and when he finally did call me he was very secretive about what was going on. He called my old boss at Davey Tree as well as numerous other industry people. He told me that he was good friends with my old boss, a giant in the industry in Seattle, which I found is not true at all. He is posting this video everywhere, and never believed me when I gave my side of the story. I feel very threatened right now.
If Mr. Oxman would have called me and talked to me before he started this smear cammpaign (I hear he is posting this on multiple sites across the internet), then I would have gladly joinined any discussions to talk about how other tree service owners can prevent this from happening. As tree service owners we could all come together to tackle these issues and work for solutions mutually beneficial for our profession.
 
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If Mr. Oxman would have called me and talked to me before he started this smear cammpaign (I hear he is posting this on multiple sites across the internet), then I would have gladly joinined any discussions to talk about how other tree service owners can prevent this from happening. As tree service owners we could all come together to tackle these issues and work for solutions mutually beneficial for our profession.

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Was that you in the video running the chipper claiming you didn't know spikes were being used?
 
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I have read some of these posts, and you can choose to believe me or not. But the fact of the matter is that we have never used spurs to prune before, and were videoed when my cklimber used the bad judgement to keep them on after removing a lead.
I want to move on from here, and even though this has been a very upsetting ordeal for me, I am positive that it will be good in the long run. I will ensure that this doesn't happen again as owner, and you other owners can learn from this as well.

Here was one of my last posts.

Ok, Michael Oxman, if you are reading this, this if for you.
In the end, we all want the same thing: for all involved in our industry to raise the bar on quality/ safety/ knowledge. This is what I truly want as well. Mistakes were made on both sides, but we can both move on from this. We will both see eachother a lot in the field as contemporaries, and we have the same ultimate goals. Can we communicate on a positive level? I would like to invite you to see our operation in progress, and start a forum on safety/ work practices. I would also like to speak to you on the phone or even on this forum to start over. If you are willing to do this, I think we can both move on.
Unfortunately, I can't be on the computer all day, but will be back tonite.
I also don't have time to post this anywhere else, so if anyone has spare time? I really want Michael to see this.
Thanks,
Ryan
 
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No, that was my lead foreman

He was in the back trimming a hedge that the client was most concerned about. When he found out his climber still had the spikes on, he had them removed.
 
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Sorry about the length of these comments, but I feel very strongly aboiut this. I have a lot of client phone calls to make right now, but will be back from time to time.
 
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Ryan, I am one of the people who feels that there is no good excuse for spiking a prune. Having said that, I get the impression that you are an honest person, and you have the knowledge and attitude to be a positive part of our industry, and this is a hard, ugly lesson for you. I feel bad that this has turned into such a circus. Internet forums have a way of making heroes and victims out of people, and this time you are the victim. Hopefully Oxman takes the video down, enough is enough. There are bigger fish to fry out there. Peace.

-Tom
 
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Well said Tom!

I too think the lesson has been learned and Ox would be a big man to take down the video. The spanking was sufficient.
 
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