Velocity splice?

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lumberjackson

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I got some velocity on sale from baileys in april with an eye splice. I climb in the splice MAYBE once a week on it on average. after a few climbs, the eye started feeling loose, so I took a sharpie and marked where the rope went into the splice (is there a term for that? I'm not a splicer; wish I was though). Anyways, it's pulled out about 1/4" since then. I called them, and they said they would replace it.

Do I want to keep using their products if thy're falling apart? Does anybody know if they splice the ropes, or do they buy them from somebody who does (Samson, ABR, etc.)?
Thoughts?

Thanks
 
I'm curios, was the splice stitched and if so, how far back from the throat of the splice was the stitching, i.e. the part where the eye tucked back into the standing part of the rope?

Eric
 
Yikes. Velocity is a super easy splice no less. Curious as well to see what's said about it. Would it be possible to dissect it and post pictures?
 
whole splice
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so I took a sharpie and marked where the rope went into the splice (is there a term for that? I'm not a splicer; wish I was though)

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FYI, the term is called "the throat".

More importantly, where the heck is the lock stitching? That splice should not be pulling out that far, even under low loads.

Is there an invisable lock stitch? If so, than they should be letting buyers know, so they don't have to guess.

Please, keep us posted.
 
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FYI, the term is called "the throat".

More importantly, where the heck is the lock stitching? That splice should not be pulling out that far, even under low loads.

Is there an invisable lock stitch? If so, than they should be letting buyers know, so they don't have to guess.

Please, keep us posted.

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Thanks, Chris. I stumbled on this today when I was researching velocity lock stitching velocity lock stitching

I'll keep you guys posted
 
Even without lock stitching no way should it be slipping. Very smart move on your part to monitor the splice coming apart. Yes, keep us posted!
 
so I got it back in the mail today. same rope, different box, no note, no nothing but my old rope. On the website it says its still "auth. for return". I called them late last week because I was concerned how long it was taking, should I be concerned,blah blah blah etc. They said they still hadn't received it (which obviously they had and was on its return trip, unless it was sent express or something(unlikely)). their website still shows "auth for return". I really dont know what to do. Should I call them again? I am about ready to just go full on SRT; should I just cut off the splice and get over it?

Tha splice got a little worse since I put up those last pictures.

here's another one (this is how they returned it to me today)

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I am not thrilled to climb on that.
 
Man that really sucks.

If you are having doubts, don't climb on it. You DON'T need to be wondering about the safety of your climb line while working at height, it will only distract you.
 
It depends what it's worth to ya. Determine the dollar value of that splice to you, figure how much your time is worth, and make a guess as to how long you'll have to spend trying to get the vendor to act right. Speaking of....I need to call a couple vendors myself.
 
There is no way that splice could slip even without stitching. My guess is that they didn't bury enough core tail (evident by the fact that the core is puffing out)

Did you send it back yet? What are the chances I can talk you through a dissection?

This is not a lock-stitching issue, it's a splicing issue. I think they might've been taking a short cut to increase production.

love
nick
 
Nick, I did send it back, and they obviously received it, looked at it and for whatever reason didn't think it fit replacement criteria, put it in a different box, and sent it back to me. I would love to dissect it. how do want to talk me through it?
 
WHAT!!!!

Yes. There are some important things to know. We want to know how long the cover bury and core bury are. You basically have to muscle the splice apart. I'm thinking that since it came this far, you can get more to come out. You might have to punch an awl through the eye to get a good grip on it.

Then you pull the eye all the way apart. Then you mark the crossover VERY clearly, then pull THAT apart and measure how long from the crossover point to the end of each the cover and the core. The cover tail starts out at about 10.5", but gets longer when it gets tapered so it should be at a MINIMUM 10.5 inches.

I'm reading the Samson double braid directions and they are a tiny bit different (in process, not end result) from what I'm used to, so I can't tell you an exact number, but that core tail should be approx 6" in length with only the last 3 or maybe 4" tapered.

Feel like giving it a shot?

love
nick
 
yup. First, a tiny bit of clarification (for my wee brain). so I am pulling the splice apart so it is now a straight piece of rope. Then I am pulling apart the crossover? how/what is that? Is it like the throat? How do I get that apart?

Or am I just confusing myself...?

Thanks, Jackson
 
As you pull on the eye, making it larger, you're actually pulling the core out. If you kept pulling, you'd theoretically pull all 120' of core out of the rope!

So obviously after you pull 2 or 3 feet out to make the rope loose enough to work with, you will see a point where the cover goes into the core, and the core goes into the cover. I've attached a pic. It's mark C in the pic I attached (Not to be confused with Mark C. the dude that owns this website!!!).

That's the crossover. You'll sharpie all around that spot so you can reference for sure where the crossover is as you proceed. Then you sorta pull it apart and measure the two tails. This will sortof be a tell all.

I would video the whole thing or at least take a TON of photos lining things up with a measuring tape so we can all see what's going on.

You'll also want to note the distance from that mark you've already marked to the crossover. That is important, too.

Or chop off the last 3-4' of rope and mail it to me :)

love
nick
 
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Or chop off the last 3-4' of rope and mail it to me :)

love
nick

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That's what I'd do. Nick will find out exactly what's going on inside that splice.
 
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