Using personal gear at work

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Really just work inside the company or owners limts. If they don't want to give blocks and pulley just nat crotch let them buy new rope every 2 months. Then show him yours and the little phrase "line age, this is 2 years old and looks better than the 1 month old we have". To go and buy 3 and 4 bill saddles I don't see any owner that will do that they might give you the money for a basic saddle toward the high end is about the best you could expect, same for gaffs, rope, and saws.
 
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As for other toys thats it they are toys that make your job easy, you want them you buy them if not a prusik cord works just fine. Think thats what you still have to use to footlock in comp right?
 
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Yeah, cept SRT is more efficient in most cases. An owner (a good one anyway), would consider anything that makes you more efficient makes them more money, and wouldnt hesitate to make the purchases.
 
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Buying you a treemotion or ergo aint going to make you a faster climber you might think that when buying it, hard truth is you'll still be the same producer with it or without it. I know alot of guys that footlock faster with a prusik cord then some do with hand acenders.

No matter how you put it the DB is right all the toys in the world aint going to makew a slow climber twice as fast. he'll still be a slow climber.

Do you need a GRCS not really there are many ways to gain the same effect. Is it nice?, hell yea. But I can do the same thing with a rope come'a'long port'a'warp and a prusik cord.
 
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Do you need a GRCS not really there are many ways to gain the same effect. Is it nice?, hell yea. But I can do the same thing with a rope come'a'long port'a'warp and a prusik cord.

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Yeah with twice the dickin around and time spent, making the GRCS more efficient.


If you cant see how other things would make one more efficient, I wont bother explaining, as you're obviously too dense to understand.
 
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lmao, I love the young and dumb.

Lets see porty is already on tree for take down no? I add a pulley under it 2 mins top I hook come'a'long to truck tree whatever another 2 mins, prusik we'll say another 2 mins for the young bucks I cause we know using your brain is over rated. Tag line trough pulley and in come long takes about the same time as it does for you to wrap the rope and install handle. Working leaver and cranking pretty much the same time and effort.

My set up cost at most 3 bills your facny GRSC 3 grand. Go figure. That 2700 I just saved him can now go where it belongs my pocket and not Gregs.
 
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Wrong, the rope is wrapped and handle installed in about 10 seconds. The piece is on the ground before you have even started your saw. This continues for the whole TD process, and the tree is removed in almost half the time.

Nice try though.
 
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Wrong, the rope is wrapped and handle installed in about 10 seconds. The piece is on the ground before you have even started your saw. This continues for the whole TD process, and the tree is removed in almost half the time.

Nice try though.

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Would love to have the opp some day for you to show me first hand.

I'd ask that you don't whine should old man and some simple tricks smoke yea.

Be truthful all I really need is 2 ropes a 2 porties.
 
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OOO my, lets see. Hey Jim whats say yea I need a cot and it seems we need 2 tree of about same size and such. Corse mine could be a tad bigger I want to give him a fighting chance.
 
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I think he'll cry if both old guys beat him. I see it at my work now the young are so thin skinned now adays. Damn shame USA is raisiing a nation of sissies.
 
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My questions are for employees not contract climbers.

So...I'd like to get an answer from both sides, owners and climbers.

If personal tools are stolen or damaged who replaces them?

If personal tools/PPE are used and there is an accident/injury who is liable?

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I think most good climbers will have and use their own gear. Nevertheless I will provide whatever additional gear is necessary for a safe and efficient operation.

If I provide any climbing gear, then I retain the ownership of that gear, and an employee climber may not use that gear for personal reasons.

If an employee climber uses his own gear, then he is responsible for the security of that gear. If he believes the gear is likely to be stolen then he is free to take it home each evening. Although I would feel no obligation to replace stolen gear, the circumstances of the theft would influence my decision. For example, what if I left a toolbox unlocked?

If an employee's personal tools were damaged because of negligence, I would probably balk at replacing them. However, if they needed replacing because of normal wear and tear, then I would gladly purchase them.

If there is an accident or injury, and there is no negligence on the part of the employee, including the inspection of his personal tools, I don't think it matters who owns the tools, safety is everyone's responsibility, but it ultimately belongs to the employer.

And Kathy, please ignore the lack of his/her, I find that too cumbersome, and no more think of a climber as necessarily male than a Frenchman thinks of a table as female.
 
Contract guys or gal are just folks who have not worked out the logistics of accepting the responsibility of other peoples families, there are great ones for sure! Yet believe they are better than the avg employee. God bless trades low on talent. When they do that they generaly realize the error of ther ways. Journeyman or aprentices is just a figure of speech realy. I would not want to insult those that have a defined path on there drive to the real world. Its just a comparison. Realy a waste of time. Whats the point of all this? Got a bit of talent and believe you deserve it all now. Get in line. There is a natural order to things young to old, slow to fast etc.. Where do you think the money comes from to pay you highly talented 1 to 5 yr kings of the world. Gotta love it. Canada is breeding alot of the same ilk. Climb on. Buy your own gear and be a man. (woman) sorry.
 
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I think most good climbers will have and use their own gear. Nevertheless I will provide whatever additional gear is necessary for a safe and efficient operation.


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Here's where your formula breaks down -- "...tools were damaged because of negligence"
I worked at a company with 5 to 6 crews all outfitted with company saws and company rigging. Crews raided the tool crib on a first come first serve basis and tool hording became an issue. Some trucks would roll out with 7 saws, 4 blocks and 6 slings, other crews were lucky to get a ground saw. Those same crews hording were either allocating rigging gear to their personal collections at home, or outright losing it. The owner, obviously infuriated by the loss of slings, blocks and portawraps over a 6 month period, set the precedent of refusing to replace the gear until someone spoke of the missing rigging. Catch 22. 5 crews sharing 2 rigging ropes and 8 saws. Do you think I saw a single piece of new rigging come to the company before I left? Nope.
On a lighter note, after they ripped all of us off, maybe at least they are respecting the acquired gear now that it's their own?

I do appreciate your no B.S. real world Owner perspective, I think it reflects a lot of the medium to large companies out there. Personality dynamics in the tree business will put your policies to the test and much of your formula I have experienced, and won't hesitate to say it has its faults.
 
Tool hording is not an issue. Each truck has an exact list of tools, each tool is labeled, color-coded, or both; inventory checklists are posted on each tool box, master inventory checklists are located in the cab, and the trucks are inventoried regularly for damaged or missing gear.
 
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Tool hording is not an issue. Each truck has an exact list of tools, each tool is labeled, color-coded, or both; inventory checklists are posted on each tool box, master inventory checklists are located in the cab, and the trucks are inventoried regularly for damaged or missing gear.

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Yes! This is exactly what we do. It works great. We post the master lists in the shop and do weekly, thorough tool checks.
 
And when the gear goes missing, you replace it, because your crews have to be equipped to do the job, right? There were inventories of all our shop's gear as well, but the company's response to the missing gear is the issue here. Whether your own response is to cut a crew off for replacements, or put an employee on the hook for replacement cost, I'd argue there is a much better approach. As an owner, there's likely better places to dedicate your micromanaging energy other than gear ordering/inspecting/documenting/inventorying above and beyond your heavy equipment and saws.

What would I do? Tool allowance through either wages or a set amount a year available upon issuance of proof of purchase. The climber does his research, learns the specs, learns the terminology, and learns new methods and equipment. The gear is yours to do as you please, make sure it's on the truck every day. Whether the employee stays or not, the owner's attitude in his development as a professional raises the bar with the owner's future employee's and your ex employee's new placement.
 
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