fall_risk
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Just to make it explicit, that is an endless loop splice with each end tapered and buried in the other side after a crossover?
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Tree-Taylor
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That's it!
bonner1040
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Nice pics and such. The videos are nice, I personally like the single shot splices at the end of each where Erik just knocks it out with no words. Amazing and humbling.
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bonner1040
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If you don't think it's worth it we will shoot you a refund
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flyingsquirrel25
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Correct and a lock stitch as shown in the Samson manual.
ATH
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The Samson instructions for an end to end in Tenex takes up 5 full fid lengths for the bury.
5/8" fid = 13 1/8" long. 5 of those is 65 5/8" (5.5') on either side of the center of that splice. How does that work???
5/8" fid = 13 1/8" long. 5 of those is 65 5/8" (5.5') on either side of the center of that splice. How does that work???
ATH
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PS: I should add - My termination isn't by any Samson book either. Just curious how to do an end to end splice that is strong enough without using up 5'. Not critical...just looking to learn!
flyingsquirrel25
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You are correct. In looking at the Samson book again it is actually 4 fids for the class one splice (1 for taper, 1 straight bury and 2 to receive the bury). I certainly do not have 4 fids on either side. In actuality I used the same calculation I was taught years ago by knot and rope (at one of their symposiums) for making hollow braid hitch cords (HRC, Beeline and the sort). That was one fid bury, no more than half tapered. I miss stated/represented above in saying “as shown in the Samson book”, I was referring to the lock stitch and should have made that clear.
I have not had this sling “tested”, but in the last eye I have stopped my bandit winch with no creap or signs of movement.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!
ATH
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Uncle!
Uncle! UNCLE!!! Stop twisting my arm.
Looking forward to it!
Daveyface
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does anyone know the optimum spacing for the brummels on the ultra sling? as in how many picks apart are they? is there a set # of strands you count between each pass thru? also whats the minimum bury length at the end ?
where can we find all the splicing info for all this stuff? are there any websites or anything with all the different ropes and splices? for example i want to make some eye to eye hitch cords. i need info on ,armor prus 10mm, ocean poly 10mm, epicord 10mm, marlow boa 9mm, etc....
i want to make so many things but im having trouble finding clear and concise step by step directions for alot of different splicing projects. im just not willing to take a risk with this stuff for obvious reasons so ive been sitting on a pile of sweet cordage because i havnt found exact instructions on alot of things, maybe i just dont know where to look. ...
last thing....are there any good books that explain splicing? like how to determine correct tapering and bury lengths for different splices? i love splicing but im tired of 16 strand eyes and loopie/whoopie slings lol, i have more loopies than i can use and i put eyes in all of my climb/rigging lines so i need to move on to bigger better splicing!
where can we find all the splicing info for all this stuff? are there any websites or anything with all the different ropes and splices? for example i want to make some eye to eye hitch cords. i need info on ,armor prus 10mm, ocean poly 10mm, epicord 10mm, marlow boa 9mm, etc....
i want to make so many things but im having trouble finding clear and concise step by step directions for alot of different splicing projects. im just not willing to take a risk with this stuff for obvious reasons so ive been sitting on a pile of sweet cordage because i havnt found exact instructions on alot of things, maybe i just dont know where to look. ...
last thing....are there any good books that explain splicing? like how to determine correct tapering and bury lengths for different splices? i love splicing but im tired of 16 strand eyes and loopie/whoopie slings lol, i have more loopies than i can use and i put eyes in all of my climb/rigging lines so i need to move on to bigger better splicing!
Tree-Taylor
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ATH
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Often the rope manufacturers have the info on their websites as well...
Daveyface
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i looked everywhere tofind out the directions for an end for end brummel for the last loop and found this. it only uses a 1fid+short fid. im gonna use it for some ultras and see how it goes
https://www.teufelberger.com/pub/me...Strand_Single_Braid_End_For_End_Brummel_1.pdf
Daveyface
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so after much research i have found these 3 ways to end the ultra sling. 
#1 -the treestuff standard style termination.
pros-faster, less rope,rope doubled all the way thru so stronger, has been tested by pro's so has known mbs,
cons-long tail and unusable first pocket+tail
#2 -the eye splice end
pros-all eyes usuable, could be used with ring n ring or ring and block in a basket configuration as retrievable sling or standard ultra sling with ability to have a ring on one end and a removable block on the other so you can choose which on u want to use instead of being locked into only 1 or the other
cons-more rope per ft of sling, weaker since last eye is only 1 leg of rope
#3 -class 1 end for end splice loop-direct bury
pros-could be used with ring n ring or ring and block in a basket configuration as retreivable sling or standard ultra sling
cons-uses alot of rope to bury tails, weaker than #1, useless first pocket like #1
i found instructions for the brummel end for end here-
https://www.teufelberger.com/pub/me...Strand_Single_Braid_End_For_End_Brummel_1.pdf
this thread has given me some ideas i wonder if anyone has tried?
#1- the locked brummel end for end splice instead of the regular end for end in sling #3?
how would the brummel at the end affect mbs? anyone tried it and had it tested?
#2 has anyone used sling #2 with 2 rings or a ring and block in a retreivable basket configuration? seems like if the mbs is more than enough for what your rigging the loss in strength compared to sling#1 is worth the gain
#3 -
has anyone tried a second ring on a thimble loop like this wrapped around the ultrasling in a prussic to increase bend radius and give u the choice of 1 or 2 rings? like tom hoffmans beast whoopie where he adds the extra ring...
im trying to figure out the most versatile style sling that i can make with my 2-#3 abr rings. i want to be able to add a second ring for heavy loads but have the option to remove it and have a lighter duty easy to carry sling. as well as have the choice to add the block to end #2 and use it like a retrievable ring n ring. so far im leanbing towards sling#2 made of 3/4 or 5/8 with a thimble loop made of 1/2 or 5/8
#1 -the treestuff standard style termination.
pros-faster, less rope,rope doubled all the way thru so stronger, has been tested by pro's so has known mbs,
cons-long tail and unusable first pocket+tail
#2 -the eye splice end
pros-all eyes usuable, could be used with ring n ring or ring and block in a basket configuration as retrievable sling or standard ultra sling with ability to have a ring on one end and a removable block on the other so you can choose which on u want to use instead of being locked into only 1 or the other
cons-more rope per ft of sling, weaker since last eye is only 1 leg of rope
#3 -class 1 end for end splice loop-direct bury
pros-could be used with ring n ring or ring and block in a basket configuration as retreivable sling or standard ultra sling
cons-uses alot of rope to bury tails, weaker than #1, useless first pocket like #1
i found instructions for the brummel end for end here-
https://www.teufelberger.com/pub/me...Strand_Single_Braid_End_For_End_Brummel_1.pdf
this thread has given me some ideas i wonder if anyone has tried?
#1- the locked brummel end for end splice instead of the regular end for end in sling #3?
how would the brummel at the end affect mbs? anyone tried it and had it tested?
#2 has anyone used sling #2 with 2 rings or a ring and block in a retreivable basket configuration? seems like if the mbs is more than enough for what your rigging the loss in strength compared to sling#1 is worth the gain
#3 -
has anyone tried a second ring on a thimble loop like this wrapped around the ultrasling in a prussic to increase bend radius and give u the choice of 1 or 2 rings? like tom hoffmans beast whoopie where he adds the extra ring... im trying to figure out the most versatile style sling that i can make with my 2-#3 abr rings. i want to be able to add a second ring for heavy loads but have the option to remove it and have a lighter duty easy to carry sling. as well as have the choice to add the block to end #2 and use it like a retrievable ring n ring. so far im leanbing towards sling#2 made of 3/4 or 5/8 with a thimble loop made of 1/2 or 5/8
Crimsonking
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When making the brummels, how many strands away from the first brummel do you make the third?
Daveyface
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according to some splicing pdf instructions i read for a locked brummel eye splice you make each one the thickness of the rope apart, i tried it and compared it to the sling i got from treestuff and it looks pretty much the same
