UK. Two ropes at all times(USA next?)

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Raining like a cow pissing a flat rock again today, but I will try and get some video of this thing soon if it lets up. Interesting challenge, to get something like this to work horizontally around a stem.
 
What species of trees you're thinking this will help with? Spruce?

My guess is that two short advances, without a pole tool, will be way faster and easier than one advance twice as long. An accurate throw, and a throw-weight on my biner on my climbing rope is pretty easy.
 
southsoundtree said:
What species of trees you're thinking this will help with? Spruce?
My guess is that two short advances, without a pole tool, will be way faster and easier than one advance twice as long. An accurate throw, and a throw-weight on my biner on my climbing rope is pretty easy.
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Keywords are: "An accurate throw"! I spend a lot of my life lately fighting up spruces (white or black) or Arolla pine - stuff like that - pruning or fixing splits or reserructing trees that have been topped/ hacked by some genius.
It all started because I seem to be throw bag challenged and even trying stuff like slingshots didn't help out much progressing up the stem. Climb these things with SRT line base tied usually and two lanyards, one long and one shorter.
Original thought was two long lanyards and a pole thingy with a choke could be easier than trying for second tie point and messin' with bigshots etc. a second time (hence the comments in this thread). They say you have to have two climb lines but they don't say how high up the second one has to be (can't help myself - it's the innate lawyer in me . . ) :)
 
I'm late to this thread but I knew treebuzz where the place to be for this discussion.

Anyone think this is the first step in an evolution on change? This first step, not looking very well received.
But imagine it revised. Maybe something like "Second line shall be present in tree with worker ready to be used....blah blah."
Or "open air ascent belay line shall be used for open ascents...blah blah"
Are these things I think we need? No don't be silly, we need people to take advantage of the training and knowledge out there, and then apply it with their brain to their work, not be "it has to rigging points so that mean force is spread out" guy (if you get what I'm saying with that).
The knowledge is out there to be had. I definitely think two ropes and save people in some situations, and in tree work those "some situations" aren't even all the same, each one is different, but maybe over time it can be refined to be required in certain work scenarios.
Once again I don't want it, don't care for it, wish people who just always seek more education, but I think it would help the people coming up in the ranks of tree work who are often exposed to more then they should be with they're experience level, who doesn't have the experience to make specific preventative decision.
 
Maybe I missed it, but is this under consideration in the EU as well? And when it comes to the EU, are regulations like this country specific or across the continent?
 
JeffGu said:
Eventually, they'll just outlaw trees over 6 feet in height, at this rate.
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I think I said it earlier somewhere, this may be a first step to municipalities banning climbing in trees altogether (or only by special permit with police, fire, rescue and a hot dog stand in attendance built into the permit price) . . . . some like the one I live in already don't allow their own arborists to climb (sammy safety won). Further then, for the future: municipal bylaws that, except for heritage trees (grandfathered), in new construction/ developments large species trees are only allowed in locations reachable by bucket truck or (treemech). So for backyards say with only sideyard access - it's ornamentals only . . . . Large trees as on the west coast won't fit this paradigm but bet there'll be somebody trying to find a way to include them too.
There was a bottle involved in this discussion before Christmas, however maybe we will eventually be headed this way, at which point I, for one, will be ready to vacate the nanny planet we've become and emigrate to far away Zondar, where there's fewer silly rules (the Intergalactic Arborist Association?).
(there are already lots of people I've met that are more than ready to chip in for my ticket, but the research experiments I do aren't finished yet)
 
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Tuebor said:
Maybe I missed it, but is this under consideration in the EU as well? And when it comes to the EU, are regulations like this country specific or across the continent?
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I haven't heard of anything like this in Germany. Regulations would be country specific.
 
That’s what I was thinking, if the conditions are right, 2 foot ascenders could be pretty fast.
Thanks for posting that. :)
 
Working two devices as if they were one is really cool and the benefit of not having to lanyard in is awesome. Something to keep in mind though is that all goes out the window as you aproach your tie in points, unless they are very close to each other. Imagine footlocking on two single lines anchored 12’ apart you can only go so far before spead of ropes stops progress. Not a big hurdle to deal with but worth noting if you’re going to do something like two foot ascenders your going to have to switch to different means of ascent close to top, unless tie in points are super close together.
 
Also jumps and swings are affected. Ever attempt a jump/swing and your saw is on wrong side of stem you’re launching from,or tail of your climbing line gets snagged and then timing,speed,velocity all gets screwed up, usually ends badly for me. Even if I slack one system before jump it’s still a big hinders the swing and descent.
 
I wonder if something like TRT that johnny pro was working on would work? where its two ropes, sort of isolated and run through the same device (i think in this case it was a rope runner) side by side. Add a shunt or a twin rope ascender above as a back up and the spirit of the rule would still be in place with the practial usage of our current systems...
 
If we as climbers, do not want more regulation, we need to first prove they are not needed.

STOP FALLING OUT OF TREES!

We currently have the best tools and technical understanding on how to use them that tree workers have ever had. Yet our safety records have not improved.

Dr. John Ball concurs, falls still account for 31% of fatalities. With numbers that high, you can bet that there will be an expectation to make things better.
 
The sales-person not being the climber is one big part of the problem. Rushing to stick to a schedule dictated by the sales-person is a big part of the problem. Rushing to stick to a schedule that is affected by a huge number of unpredictable factors (weather, employee fatigue, mechanical breakdowns, etc) is another big part of the problem. Underbid jobs is another big part of the problem.

They should legislate those things. Sure to keep everyone safer.



No way that the added cluster-f&ck is going to add danger or time-pressure, right? (Insert sarcasm emoji).




Falls from trees will be reduced. Injuries and fatalities in trees will increase from other problems.
 
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