Tulip tree MURDER!

Well, Lets get back to the take down, Shall we???

That was a nicely produced video. It showed a lot of things that were done just right. Like the all the brush landing in a very small LZ. Its great to see that some people still take a bit of pride in thier work (posting videos). Also its tough to get the negitive blocking right when everything is so tight. Nice job.

with that being said, I might suggest trying a couple other cutting techniques when removing large wood to avoid one handing the saw. I used to do it the same way, until I found a better way for me. All Im saying is explore other options.

And... (Ducking) I have to agree with Danny boy, it does not look like a lightning strike to me, just included bark, but straps on a crotch like that (especially when rigging) could make all the difference.

All in all nice job, thanks for posting, makes for good conversation, when it stay intelegent.
 
That wasn't such a tight LZ.. it was wide open once you got past the fence, maybe 2' away.. Though given how far the chipper was, the ground crew may have taken time to process the pieces, which could have effected the high work..

As far as the negative blocking.. was it even needed for much of that?.. he bombed the one piece right into the yard with a pull line, then dropped the stick without any padding logs, the same way.. why not set a floating block on those trees by the fence, use the mini if needed, and pull/bomb 6-8-10's into the yard, rather than blocking down 3-4'ers.. That could be done safely even without the straps.. it all gets back to good cutting technique, starting with the fundamentals.. narrow and deep notch, MAKE THE TOP CUT FIRST... no bypass, and thin hinge, no stump shot.. those bits would fly well past the fence with no chance of the tree failing..

Even if you were going to lower that wood.. do you all cut it that small when negative blocking? I don't like spending all day in the hooks (certainly not two days).. I'd have taken that wood twice as big or bigger..

As far as the lightning strike vs included bark... it was most obviously included bark and not lightning.. customers are notorious for falsely claiming that trees were struck.. No other signs of lightning visible on the video.. Decay above the inclusion was caused by the inclusion, and much older than 3 years.. That is the most telling part of the video.. anyone that has been paying attention to trees would know the difference..
 
As said on here and other forums, YOU WEREN'T ON THE JOB, YOU DIDN'T SEE THE TREE, YOU WEREN'T HIRED TO DO THE JOB! Most of the brush, apart from the first part of the video, was over the pool and the house. So you would have been able to drop all the pieces over the fence eh? What would be the point of excessive setting up of floating blocks, when I managed to land every piece just where I wanted, and in the right direction for the chipper? We only had the mini on the second day.

As for the amount of time in the tree, 3 hours for all the brush, then another hour for wood on the first day, and another hour and a half on the second day to get to felling.

I love it that you are so antagonistic, when EVERYONE else is so positive, even Mr Beranek, he made my career with his comment at the treehouse. :)

And the lightening, as you are the god of treework, and weather, it must be true.

Later skater
 
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Even if you were going to lower that wood.. do you all cut it that small when negative blocking? I don't like spending all day in the hooks (certainly not two days).. I'd have taken that wood twice as big or bigger..



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Probably a good professional method to rig small removing a lightening struck/included bark tree that close to targets like Ben did.

But what advice does our resident self-proclaimed genius give?

I can see the red tail lights...........headin for pain.........

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not the brush..the wood.. The second stem.. starting around 7:00.. could it have been bombed into the yard as you did the one piece at 8:50? And why did it take you so long to get the bench out of there?

Look at the negative blocking cuts from a safety perspective:

7:22, you cut one handing while pushing with the second hand, a clear violation of ansi.. HOWEVER no big deal IMO, becasue your arm and body were well away from any potential kickback, as you were positioned sideways to the cut..

at 7:48.. you back chain the cut leaving no potential for kickback.. and you stop the cut, push a little to get the piece leaning, then finish the cut with both hands on the saw.. NICE!..

Its the cut at 8:04 that's the problem.. You cut one handed with your body in the kickback zone, push with the left hand, then as you finish the cut you pull the saw back towards your left arm, as you finish the pushing motion. Arm and saw are headed for each other!.. That's the kind of cut that you can probably get away with for an entire career.. BUT its still unnecessarily dangerous. The risk may be low percentage wise, but the cost is so great, its just not worth it!.

With good cutting technique, you should be able to stop the saw and push with both hands.. Even a slight bypass in the face will cause the hinge to seize, in which case you need to cut and push at the same time.. Which gets back to fundamentals.. making the top cut of the notch first will prevent bypassing the face cuts, which is all too common when working from the hooks, even amongst really good climbers.

FUNDAMENTALS... get you falling cuts perfect on the ground.. top cut first.. NO BYPASS in the face.. then when you need to make a good cut from the hooks or bucket, you know you got it.. you can trust your life to it!

And we can get into the floating block vs hand pull and wedges.. to me the floating block is a no-brainer.. Doesn't take long to set up and you don't need to pound wedges and watch your ground man struggle.. With the added pulling power and a good shallow/narrow notch you'd have cleared the fence on that drop. Setting up a FB is sure a lot faster than fixing a fence.

When you get to using them with machine power, they become invaluable! Check this drop.. NO WAY would that have worked without a monster hinge and a floating block to dial in the direction of pull.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p04sxvuZu7E
 
Thanks Dan, I agree that that one handing could and should have been avoided, but it wasn't.

(edit) I just looked back at the film. The main stem which all the rigging was done from - could have bombed it out onto the yard, but being close to the house, didn't want the risk of a bad bounce or the like. Better safe than sorry.

Thanks for being critical, I will certainly try in the future to be more vigilant.

Ben
 
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Here is the second video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHXlJdTADXI

The owner was replacing all the broken up concrete around the pool, that the tree had ruined. Also she was ripping up the brick where I laid the stick, so she wasn't fussed if it got tore up. And she hates the fence around the pool, but the county insist she has it for some reason. I tried to remove it initially, but it wouldn't budge. When the stem fell, it split right in two, making it easier to cut up, but one half touched the fence post, which we fixed and made better than it was before.

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The real issue in this thread is, THE COUNTY MANDATES FENCES AROUND POOLS! Oh for heavens sake! How about mandating parents to just watch their kids! Geesh!
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You're welcome Ben...

Video is an awesome way to review and improve our techniques..

Lowering is often a better option than bombing, just to save the trouble of fixing the holes..

We should all practice bombing out wood enough to be able to land them flat when needed.. 18-20% height of stick will work. Get some help eye-balling from the ground crew if needed.. Its sweet to lay out a few logs on the ground, then land some big wood flat across them..
 
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He wiped out a fence and can't tell the difference between included bark and lightning.. All the name dropping don't change that from what it is... stupidity!

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Done anything stupid lately Daniel?

I hear pain is beautiful this time of year.

How long will your vacation there last mate?

Karma upending dogma?

Great work and thread Ben!

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