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[TLHamel]

Excellent post, Laz. I particularly liked this...

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I firmly believe the Euro testing procedure EN813 is superior to the minimum strength rating of the Z - it includes drop tests, pull tests and even corrosion tests; fundamentally, a standardised, independent test like this tells us much more than an arbitrary strength rating.

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[TLHamel]

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Its a SHOULD not a SHALL.

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[frans]

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To answer your question about using the shackles on the hip Ds with a lanyard.....I wouldn't. Because it is an unknown factor; the shackles are narrow gauge and would be point loaded on the D ring. A karabiner is designed for this type of interface with other hardware. We tested them in their webbing configuration as part of a harness system.

Besides, I like to know I can whip off the lanyard when I have to. Could be critical one day.

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Hummmm.

Do you have any empirical evidence of this?

I have never heard of a steel shackle mated to a steel D ring causing any trouble.

 

[Lazarus2]

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To answer your question about using the shackles on the hip Ds with a lanyard.....I wouldn't. Because it is an unknown factor; the shackles are narrow gauge and would be point loaded on the D ring. A karabiner is designed for this type of interface with other hardware. We tested them in their webbing configuration as part of a harness system.

Besides, I like to know I can whip off the lanyard when I have to. Could be critical one day.

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Hummmm.

Do you have any empirical evidence of this?

I have never heard of a steel shackle mated to a steel D ring causing any trouble.

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No evidence - just thoughts.

I was refering more to aligning of the shackle - it could slide to one end of the pin, which might not get a fair loading. Off shore riggers will shim a shackle pin to avoid this.

A maillon would probably be better for alignment.

Either way, I'm sure you understand I can't condone a TFX shackle being used in any way other than we know how it performs.

 

[Lazarus2]

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Excellent post, Laz. I particularly liked this...

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I firmly believe the Euro testing procedure EN813 is superior to the minimum strength rating of the Z - it includes drop tests, pull tests and even corrosion tests; fundamentally, a standardised, independent test like this tells us much more than an arbitrary strength rating.

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Your welcome - just trying to slow down the roundabout a bit.

I suppose we just need to remember that, unknown history, UV exposure, contamination and abrasion are our enemies with equipment. No standard can account for those adequately.

How we use, store and care for gear certainly does.

 

[TC]

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I have never heard of a steel shackle mated to a steel D ring causing any trouble.

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Didn't know shackles mated with D rings? what are the offspring......Maillons?

 

[Tom Dunlap]

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Didn't know shackles mated with D rings? what are the offspring......Maillons?

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I had just swallowed a BIG gulp of coffee when I read this. Good thing the coffee was down the hatch or it would have been sprayed all over my lap and laptop