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Maybe it was Tobe's use of the expression 'buyers remorse'.

'Buyers remorse' can be a very powerful emotive issue, although in this case we're hardly dealing with a large sum of money are we?

However, if Bsaville was planning on buying a Treemotion harness for all his 20 climbers at approx $500 a unit then $10,000 is a serious amount of cash...easily enough to induce a terrifying feeling of 'buyers remorse'.

Its sounds like Bsaville would suffer regret from buying 1 Treemotion now anyway, even after he has tried it. One thing Bsaville obviously does not suffer from is 'borrowers remorse'
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Well I guess If I bought the saddle and only tried it out for 30 days then returned it there would still be the uncertainty of its whereabouts. It might pass a visual but you can't be sure.
Like I said my saw dealer sells a few different saddles and has trees to use for as long as the day, he can see me through the window. Something like a saddle is not to be compared with a book.
Skate parks and Rock climbing are common and you can rent pricey equipment for use on site. It seems like tree gear is getting ahead of itself( as with other things) and I might be ahead of myself, but A Company that sells saddles from a store should a few to try out and a freaking tree out back.
I would never expect anybody to let me "hold" something like a saddle and to tell the truth I expected Tobe to say something like" sure come on down and we will let you monkey around til you find what you are looking for and if you don't find it here good luck somewhere else". Which in fact, is the standard behind my sales pitch.
What I meant about the tree gear getting ahead of itself is made with 2 points. 1. The item is question cost more and harder to get than an Xbox(don't quite know what an Xbox does).2. The forum that the item is pitched in is not broad enough on many levels.
That Sherril truck has long since stopped around here. I get the cataloge but that is it.I was under the impression that funds to keep the truck out were low or something like that. It seems (in my mind) that the direction of Sherril was not to inform and educate tree workers on a personal level but to sell as much heavy equipment and gimmicks as possible , but then I don't know.(yes I said gimmicks)
By the way did you read the first post from Tobe to me?I see you did't copy that one. I took it like if you meet a guy with one eye and the first thing you say is "stop winking at me" I don't know this guy. He hasn't called me to talk about it either, not to bother, I had a 50/50 chance of dealing with a schmuck by asking him to help me anyway. That's life. What do you think? Thanks for your comments Ben.
 
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Help with saddle? In what way?

Is that BSA-ville as in Boy Scouts of America or BS-aville as in I don't want to go there?

Seriously though... are you serious?

Hmmmm... You bet we can help, please visit your nearest authorized SherrillTree Vermeer dealer!

Best all!

Tobe

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just some light-hearted sarcasm.
 
Honestly Ben, I think Tobe was asking if your name related to the Boy Scouts because he would then have a better reason to try and make it work. What I mean is, Tobe gives very generously to many charitable groups. If you were an instructor or something for them then that could enable him to donate to your group. That's all. I doubt very highly that he was poking fun at your name.

I can understand how you took a dfensive stance since I am from NJ and all (land of sarcasm + aggression).
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For the record I really enjoy climbing in my tree motion.Over the years I guess Ive climbed in maybe 8 different harnesses and the tm is by far the best.Its not perfect and maybe not for everyone but its the better option as far as im concerned.I also tested the tree flex for a week or so and its also a really nice harness.As far as the price,well a good climber can make that in a day so big deal.I was skeptical at first but its worth it as far as im concerned.

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Jimmy,

Any chance you could bring that saddle to Waco for the conference? I'd like to check it out, maybe climb that big bur oak I missed out on because of rain a couple of years ago.

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Ben,

I hear what you are saying but I just want to make a couple of comments about sherrils.

A few years ago, I ordered some biners from them and they sent a different model because they happened to have just phased out the other. I wrote a nasty letter complaining about how I had been shafted or some such nonsense and got a pretty surly reply from Tobe. I thought things over and wrote back, apologizing for my earlier tone but making my case for why the biners should have been what I ordered. He sent three of the older model free and didn't ask for the new model back.

More recently, I was frustrated by the higher prices I was seeing in the Sherrill catalogs. Our company ordered a pocket microscope. When we pointed out that we could order the same thing for less on another site, they sold it to us for 10% off the competitor's price.

And they send a lot of prizes and support to climbing competitions and other industry events. You might argue they are gaining publicity at our expense, but if they are willing to help pay for education and improvement of our industry, I say they can have all the publicity we can give them.

So, I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I think you might want to treat Tobe with some of the respect you keep demanding.

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By the way did you read the first post from Tobe to me?I see you did't copy that one.


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I did'nt quote it because I thought it obvious he (tobe) was going overboard with being helpfull.

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I don't know this guy. He hasn't called me to talk about it either,
Ben.

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Are you so important that an owner of a large tree equipment supplier (nation wide) should call you personally? Over a single saddle purchase? Get a grip.
Are your equipment purchases in the neighborhood of 2-5 grand a month?

If so, then Tobe made a grave mistake by not speaking with you personally.

My opinion is, if you are crying about a small purchase of a single saddle, then you are not a mover and shaker in the tree equipment buying world. Dont give yourself too much credit.


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not to bother, I had a 50/50 chance of dealing with a schmuck by asking him to help me anyway. That's life. What do you think? Thanks for your comments Ben.

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I think you are giving yourself way too much credit. Are you a person who is vital to our industry? Or just a complaining type of consumer?
I understand that ALL climbers are important, as are all people. but your comments lack a certain, how shall I say this, integrity.

I say this because of your subjective comment: 'dealing with a schmuck'. Anyone who knows Tobe personally would not place that label on him.

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Tobe:
Help with saddle? In what way?
Is that BSA-ville as in Boy Scouts of America or BS-aville as in I don't want to go there?

Seriously though... are you serious?

Hmmmm... You bet we can help, please visit your nearest authorized SherrillTree Vermeer dealer!

Best all!

Tobe


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When I am dealing with customers, I try to go the extra mile. Just from reading your posts (carefully), it appears that your intent is simply to whine and complain.

Tobe has made the effort, and extended the offer of 30 days to check out the saddle. You have continued to moan and bitch about your hurt feelings.

Get a grip.
 
Please don't feel the need to console me it is no big deal really. I threw a line out and with that there is the risk of misinterpretation, I guess on both sides. Anyway I just threw some lighthearted sarcasm back and got no reply from the guy who started it. It might have been a little more than lighthearted. I enjoyed evryones response and think deeply about all topics. Basically I just rolled with it and kept it going to see where it went. There seems to be a lot of controversy on who is right and who is not in this business. Always the bickering of who is a hack, what ansi says,and just how much a certified arborist is worth. You know the constant circle.

I think I broke through that circle and maybe touched on some ideas that may have been lost on the way.I started some s#$% in other post but they really didn't go anywhere so i will milk this one dry. To be frank, some of the post I responded to were posted by complete idiots( in my mind) and felt that at my level I would call them out.Hey if you think I am an idiot call me out.

The guy who posted "how much did you start with" came off to me as an idiot so I called him on it and when he didn't even bother to stick up for himself I just voiced my worthless opinion and moved on. Thanks for your time, Ben


Oh, nice try on the excuse for Tobe, almost as good as my potholders. Isn't all my info listed for all to see?
 
did I actually refer to Tobe as a schmuck or just say I had a good chance of dealing with one? I don't expect him to call me and was impressed he actually responded so I guess at least I should say thank you for that. all he had to do (since he did respond in the first place) was ask me what I was looking for with out the s$%$.

Am I vital to the industry? Are you worth a decent burial? My job is to take care of my community's trees in a respectful manner and that includes running off overpriced bulls$%@ certified arborists when needed. Every damn tree I take down I plant one( to be sure). I usually give them away to my customers who write raves about me and my work when they pay there bills. What about the people who can't afford Bartlett and if I want some weed or coke I can call on some of Davey's fine well behaved arborists. Go ahead, call me a liar. So stick it up your A$% with that vital crap.

Name one company that if fell the industry would crumble. It doesn't matter, someone would pick it up anyway.

the only reason it appears that I keep going is that it seemed that there was a large response to my response to Tobe( which really din't seem that horrible. ) I did want to voice my opinions as well for this seemed like the place. I will admit I might push an issue like the issue of guys like you complaining about what guys like you complain about. That's because I like a good argument.

One last bit amigo, I am not the owner of a huge company so I might not be important to you but I feel I am important enough to get my name right. don't think my feelings hurt . Thanks for chiming in Frans
 
If you were able to read carefully you would see that what Tobe said to me was UNUSED equipment may be returned. What are you suggesting? Buy the thing and look at it for 29 days then decide?
 
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