Tree Rigging: The Plan

I think the idea that we were spared by luck is totally false. At the risk of being argumentative I would say that the opposite is true and is pretty clear to anyone viewing the video with an open mind and a basic understanding of whats happening.

I wont say there wasnt a better way, but I back the evaluation, decision, and execution that occurred that day, 100%.
 
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I think there's value in posting the video specifically because everything did not go as planned. There are lots of videos out there of tree removals that take place according to plan. It's refreshing to see what can and does happen in spite of your plan. I know I learn more on the job when surprises occur. Therefore, I enjoy watching other people's surprises so I can prevent them from happening to me. Thanks again for posting the vid.

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Exactly... I love this video.. watched it at least 15 times... so much to learn from this video... in order to take full advantage of the opportunity, you have to replace judgment and a sense of superiority, with a child like wonder and curiosity to learn...
GREAT JOB posting this vid Nick..

Most vids that go as planned get watched once.. if that..
 
The frustration I had with the discussion was, I was and am sure I had some valid contribution to the vid and a couple guys came in and said basically no I'd do it the same way even though it had a bad/not serious outcome. David finally added another piece to the puzzle? with the hinge too thick but he shouldn't of whatevered me or anyone else. Now when it's all said and done Nick still backs the plan 100%. Did he learn anything? Hard to tell. I'm guessing your dying to discuss the step cut which I've never been a fan of. So if we play it right this could become a classic treebuzz clusterfuck or we could all learn something.

What did you see that was so interesting? Drum roll please...
 
We chain and/or winch strap anything that looks barberchairesque. Will sometimes use a retention line to hold a tree to a stump if it looks like it could bounce backwards into a cottage or whatever.
The time investment in strapping the lower trunk prior to felling is pretty minimal and well spent. This ain't piecework production logging. Why not take an extra couple of minutes if you think the tree could barberchair?
I have never used a step cut like Nick showed in the video. Gonna have to dust off Jerry's "Fundamentals" and do some reading while it is raining.
 
I feel there are better ways to deal with barber chairs than to allow them to happen and deal with the fallout. Like you say we've got as much time as they're willing to pay us for. Pay me enough and I'll beltsander it down hanging off a helicopter.
 
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I'm guessing your dying to discuss the step cut which I've never been a fan of.

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And no,
IMO the step cut did not cause the BBC... it was however interesting to notice that the step opened before the BBC, which is a clear indication that the hinge seized, from both the low back cut and leaving it a bit too thick...

In my experience the step goes at the same time as the hinge. When it doesn't, something's wrong...
 
this tree moved on the hinge just far enough to break out the step fibers (between the offset cuts of the back cut)... and then it stopped.. we do not see the step open becasue it is not shown. However this clearly happened prior to the BBC.. this means the hinge moved a little then seized... if you have enough pull to break the step fibers, then the tree should start moving on the hinge.. if not, something is wrong..
 
Fair enough. You just love this stuff don't you. Me too. Had lots of fun with tangled frozen together snow covered spruce branches today the size of small trees.
 
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this tree moved on the hinge just far enough to break out the step fibers (between the offset cuts of the back cut)... and then it stopped.. we do not see the step open becasue it is not shown. However this clearly happened prior to the BBC.. this means the hinge moved a little then seized... if you have enough pull to break the step fibers, then the tree should start moving on the hinge.. if not, something is wrong..

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Watch the vid again.
The hinge does not close at all. There are no bending wood fibers "at the hinge". The tree started vertical splitting to break the 'step' cut fibers. The hinge is too thick.
Precautionary measures were taken to keep the tree from falling in the wrong direction, excellent foresite.
It's hard to say what plan to make without actually seeing the tree in person. Video doesn't show everything.
 
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Watch the vid again.
The hinge does not close at all. There are no bending wood fibers "at the hinge". The tree started vertical splitting to break the 'step' cut fibers. The hinge is too thick.
Precautionary measures were taken to keep the tree from falling in the wrong direction, excellent foresite.
It's hard to say what plan to make without actually seeing the tree in person. Video doesn't show everything.

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Hinges don't close Norm... notches close... hinges bend/move and fail/separate... the vid of the BBC starts at 3:06... by that time, the fibers in the step had already been broken. Nick did not include the video of the action prior to that, so we don't see the moment when these fibers break... It is clear however that it was not the twisting top and BBC above the hinge that caused the step fibers to separate.

Therefore its clear that the hinge did move enough to force the step fibers to separate, prior to 3:06.

The hinge was too thick and the back cut too low... a bad combination....
 
Tell how it looks from your chair Riggs. Give it to us honest. Ill just imagine you sitting there laughing like you told me to.

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The plan was to get it done , get paid and get home safe . Sounds like , looked liked , all three goals were accomplished . Move on to the next plan . Next job , Next check . When you start analyzing compression of hinges and back cuts and all that Sh8t , your done before you get out of the batters box . Keep hitting it , stick to the plan . Hope and Luck are always there , but why call on them all the time . Sharp saw and a sharper mind will get you through most tree plans . Most ( another thread )
 
So even though a couple small changes that wouldn't of effected the time to getting paid and getting home but could of prevented a disaster aren't worth discussing? What is the point of these forums then anyway? Self promotion and ego pumping?
 
Thats not the point boreality. No one is saying that it couldnt have been done better. Im evaluating the decisions we made at the beginning based on the info we had then, not now.

Sure we could have changed a few things for the better.
 
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