Tree removal help

As far as the one thing you want two cents on seems to be the one thing you don't need anyone's .02 because you just told us the answer, since you have experience in both things I gladly take the wisdom you have gained and now share.

I do however feel that maybe your greater experience in working the line (where you have no doubt learned the ways to mitigate risk) plays a role in your appraisal of the difference in risks between the occupations. I hope that as you learn more about trees and tree work you learn how other people, (including the people here) mitigate risks and incorporate the applicable ones into your own work. Maybe then you will truly be able to fairly compare the two, and I sincerely look forward to that day.

*I did not mean to imply that this is the One thing you don't need .02 on. I'm sure you have many strengths and many weaknesses just like every other person I have ever met on this planet. Personally, I admire your ... zeal, and quite frankly your resourcefulness (also your moxie sticking with this thread)

That being said, I encourage you to take it easy on some of these guys here that are truly speaking from their heart (and many from a wealth of experience), however unwelcome their viewpoint is to you.

"Am I my brother's keeper?"

~Yes I am~
 
Start with Fundamental of Genaral Tree Work by Beranek.
Theres your magic bullet! 500+ pages great acedemic and practical knowledge.

http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=74&item=1551

I have been using what I call the Beaver cut and it relies on cutting out the notch to inspire to the lean and maintains the sapwood as hinge wood. things to consider is if it is wet or dry, species of tree etc. barber chairs sucks so strap it.
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Senor Greenie, you F'd up bad on this one. BADDDDDDDDD BRO.

You denied yourself an amazing opportunity to flick your switch to on. I hope I don't have to talk about you or yours during our tailgate some day. I would suggest you take the money you had in your pocket to spend on in house training with Whiz, and invest that in your local career center for some remedial grammar courses.
 
Mr Greene you know why I love the buzz, it's because there is a wealth of knowledge and great ideas floating around here. These ideas and knowledge might not always come across the way we want but that's life....I have learned so much, just give these guys/gals a chance....they know their stuff....have some fun here, life is too short...
 
Nick: you amaze me. really. You have been an utter prick but, something in my gut says your not just telling me something I need to know. You actually know what your talking about. plan to study your setup a ton. Not being a smart as* one bit, basics. Thats just what I need/can afford. Btw am looking to training via hired help just got off the phone prior to this post.

goodpreditor: wicked good grammar and Etiquette. Frankly you missed the point. As most, seems as you only read the replies and none of the posts of my own. How can someone speak so well, far better then myself. Yet entirely miss the question at hand? mitigate what? I merely asked, and this was intended for the ones that would actually know... Is there ever a true confidence level that can be gained in this line of work or, merely those nutty enough to do it. If you had a reponse to that and I missed it in all that mumbo jumbo... my sincere apology.

ropesheild: barber chair. not new at all. Fundamental of Genaral Tree Work, that is new, will read it for sure or, at least thumb thru it, Sounds usefull. Beaver cut? never heard of that either. one more thing to read about.

Viking: funny coming from a fellow sweed my name is johan btw. I never once stated on this thread that I was always right or even close. I kinna preffer nick's notion as much as I Hate to admit it 2k and a failing transmission. Making good money and not killing anyone as some have lost sleep over...

ginko: I told christian It sounded good. I never agreed to crap. In all honesty I may have been misleading. I'd buy the guy more then a coffee... He's a total fruit and even my wife said he's not staying here and, shes pretty open but, he seemed skilled. Willing to help out under odd curcumstances. Sleep on my couch even? I dunno you be the judge I'm just someone trying to figure it out himself. Got 2k in my pocket do I give 1k to christian shack him up... for two days training? Agian no fault of his. How much would I retian and I'd like to think I catch on quick.

Swing: I hope your right couse since I've posted on this forum only two times mind you. Seems like more pissing then helping. I'm confident in the knowledge part. Yes it does exist here.
 
Dear Fellow Swede,

Of course I read your posts, they are by far the most interesting part of this thread!

"Is there ever a true confidence level that can be gained in this line of work or, merely those nutty enough to do it."

---> Not sure exactly what that means but, as in line work, every person has their own confidence level. I thought you were asking which job there is less "control" in. My previous answer was that, for you, with more experience/knowledge in tree work you will gain more "control" maybe even more than you had in line work, depending on your experience/knowledge there. Relativity don't just happen on Thanksgiving Day! (sorry for the bad grammar, I will try to make up for it with Etiquette)

Please stop throwing everyone into the same bucket, it's kind of annoying, and I'm not really sure what the safe working load of this thing is. Anyways, It's not like we have nerdy tree climbing meetings without you where we like to talk about all the new-comers and compare tree-climber trading cards... Oh, forget I said that.

P.S. "Am I my brother's keeper"? This is the question that Cain asked God when God asked Cain where his murdered brother Abel was. We all need to answer that question for ourselves. This thread has shown me there are a lot of people out there that agree with me, that Yes, we are our brother's keeper. I hope you feel the same.

Sincerely,
GP
 
Johan, the items I listed are the minimum requirements to safely dismantle a tree.

However, with those items, and the right skills you would be able to remove 80-90% of the trees in this part of the world. Assuming you can get to them with a bucket.
 
Nick: I actually already was getting studied up on just what you are pointing me too. Standard lowering system. Was new to me not long ago at all but, I'm starting to get the idea. cow hitch the pully, but hitch what is to be lowered. portawrap down at the base. No shock loading ropes. Monster ropes or not. Ya I'm doing just what I said I would. Learn and, change my photos. Not to take any credit away from you even though I was already learning this stuff at the fastest rate possible. Was really nice to have someone provide a list of the tools I'll need in hand. The Tenex 5/8" Dead Eye Sling is the one thing that evades me the most on your list... I'm guessing it has to do with the cow hitch. The butt hitch I can do in my sleep at this point. Honestly havn't even tried the cow hitch yet. Is that what this dead eye sling is for? The cow hitch? Also you listed the dead eye sling twice. Do I need two? Perhaps for the porawrap? Havn't got to play with that yet either but, would like to know.

...I'd like to think you have gone from prick to nick is couse you see im true blue. Just trying to get it right. Hope thats the case and please don't comment on this part of my reply. Not that I've not heard others make some good statements thru all the hog wash but, You can be handy as a shirt pocket when you wanna be.
 
A 25' dead eye sling for the port-a-wrap will be tied at the base in either a cow hitch or a timber hitch (for bigger trees)

I think a 12' dead eye sling is fine for the block/pulley, also using a cow hitch or timber hitch.

You can always get loopie/whoopie slings if you dont want to tie the knots.

Have you mastered the running bowline?

Here is how a pro rigs a tree down... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp30JavidN
 
Bonner, can we assume you're gonna use your winnings from Treestuff to help outfit Jgreene with rigging gear?

Just kidding. Congrats.
 
Nick: running bowline, check. Looked into the loopie. Tying the knot seems more comfy at this stage. Wanted to order all the stuff on your list but at roughly 430.00 won't be tonight, top of my list at this point. So soon. One question, 150' rope? not 200? Thanks in advance.
 
a 200' rope will be more versatile but also more costly.

Use the coupon code ARBORIST to save 5% at treestuff. Thats $20!
 
jgreene,

Good to see you absorbing this. The buzz is an amazing resource! I hope you consider being an arborist, lots of us started with a pick up and chainsaw. In Bristol where topping trees rules the land, there is opportunity for a quality service and some big money in pockets of Bristol VA and Abingdon that will seek out arborists. It sounds like you are doing all removals, but as you get asked to top trees by the masses, please learn about proper pruning vs topping!

Being an arborist vs a drop it and top it service will make you much more $ in the long run, attract higher quality clients, produce confidence and pride.

Combining lineman experience with some years as an arborist also opens opportunity with companies like the Johnson City Power Board, and from what I hear they pay very well.

Not sure if this was mentioned already but Jerry Beranek has a 4 disc dvd training series, here is a sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhXVIsg6Be8
 
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ginko: I told christian It sounded good. I never agreed to crap. In all honesty I may have been misleading. I'd buy the guy more then a coffee... He's a total fruit and even my wife said he's not staying here and, shes pretty open but, he seemed skilled. Willing to help out under odd curcumstances. Sleep on my couch even? I dunno you be the judge I'm just someone trying to figure it out himself. Got 2k in my pocket do I give 1k to christian shack him up... for two days training? Agian no fault of his. How much would I retian and I'd like to think I catch on quick.


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He's at my house right now........... And my wife and kid LOVE THE MAN

And get it right it's Kristian.

I've learnd more from him than anyone, almost

Scotty
 
Nick: serious ty again. Think I will go for the 200.

Macrocarpa: I'm not just considering I'm doing all I can, when I'm not working I'm studying. Drop and top yes I've already schooled up on this matter and, how it has a negative impact on a tree via starving it of nutrients. When to prune, when not to prune, drop crotching. I'm trying not to be a hack the best I can. Sounds like your local? I'm sure any easement work for the johnson city power board pays well. Would love to cut right of way for them. Any insight on how a man could gain the prerequisites needed would be greatfull to hear about.

Scottync: No need to defend christian/Kristian. Glad he's helped. I had little doughts of his skill set. When I spoke to him it became quickly apearent that he knew alot more then I did. Fruity or not, I'm no one to judge. We all have a life to live and, a living to make. As I already stated. 500 a day steep but, could have been worth every penny. Offering to come stay with me? Sleep on my couch? Seemed a bit odd. I'm by no means the best arborist or, one at all but, I am a business man. Would have come across alot better if he included lodging into his price. Then perhaps, if I was tight on money and, I am. Offer him to sleep at my place. Thats all I was trying to say... No disrespect towards the man whatsoever. Just speaking my mind. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm glad it worked out. Wish I could have spent some time with him myself...
 
Keep learning like you are and study material from:

http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=75&item=587

Tree ID Tree ID Tree ID !!!

Working for Bartlett (Johnson City) or Gilliam's (Kingsport) would be ideal. Not sure whats up there close to you in VA?

But many are self taught as well (the hard way).

As far as the JC Power Board, I don't know for sure what the situation there is, but I do know that they hired a couple certified arborists and seem to take care of their employees.
 
I don't believe anyone else has mentioned aerial rescue..the most important thing that you should have is a ground guy capable of performing an aerial rescue. Along with an aerial rescue bag outfitted with the gear for said rescue. Knock on wood you never have to use use it.

Set of spikes
Climbing rope
Throwline and throwball
Harness

Very basic gear is all that's needed. No need for a treemotion or the geckos.

Good luck in your path.
 
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