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Tree Devotionals (Contain Bible Verses, so enter at your own risk)
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What do you mean it doesn't work for humans? The Bible teaches that three breeding pairs of humans came off the ark (assuming Noah didn't have any more kids afterwards). Later on, all of mankind was dispersed at the Tower of Babel. Now, what do we have? Very different looking people all over the globe. Different color skin tones. Various heights, builds, noses, eye shapes, foreheads.... And, all of these are 100 percent human. (I think it is interesting that a truly Biblical view leaves no room for racism. There is just the human race. Evolution on the other hand is highly racist... Different people groups are more/less evolved).
If we were just looking at skulls of modern humans, I think we would think they were different species.
I think the idea of a 'creation orchard' makes a lot more sense and is readily observed by how things actually work (great variety within animal/plant kinds, but no crossover to other/new kinds) compared to the idea of an 'evolutionary tree'. With the evolutionary tree, we can observe the tips, but filling in the branches is anyone's guess.
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Going off on a tangent here, but for those of you tempted to scoff at the idea of evolution being racist, don't forget it's racist roots. Just look at the full title of the most revered scientific holy book by Charles Darwin: "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life".
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Have you devotionals all you want. Leave science out of it.
Someone please show Kevin Ham's verifiable evidence for anything he claims.
No magic alowed.
Someone please show Kevin Ham's verifiable evidence for anything he claims.
No magic alowed.
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Lol, that's not very scientific of you. We need to differentiate between observable science and historical science. We wouldn't have 'science' without the influence of Bible-believing Christians.
That tour was pretty disappointing. Bill Nye was not there to have a conversation. He would not even admit that, if nothing else, there was at least a high degree of craftsmanship and quality in the exhibits.
Evolution has magic. Everything is swept under the rug of time. Hundreds of millions of years are brought into the equation, not because they are there, but because the chances of all of this intricately organized and developed life happening on its own are so astronomically low that billions of years are needed to make the whole idea even remotely plausible.
A slow miracle is still a miracle. Imagine a witch flying across the sky to the upper window of a castle. Now, picture a wizard slowly walking up an invisible staircase to the same window. Perhaps the slow magic of the wizard is more unbelievable and disturbing.
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And...this bit of history?
Top 5 Ancient Aztec Inventions
While the Aztecs are best known for their warlike ways and human sacrifices, their culture also gave birth to elaborate crafts and a highly organized system of government. In fact, some of their inventions are still used today.
The Aztec were scientists and well away from any Christian influence. Oddly though, they did all of their stuff without the wheel.
Here is an interesting article I found years ago. Though it is told with the evolutionary bias that permeates society, the interesting part to me is how well it matches the Biblical narrative of the three sons (and wives) of Noah repopulating the Earth, and the subsequent dispersal of the three main groups as told in Genesis 10. And of course Mesopotamia is know as the cradle of civilization, which also matches the Biblical account.
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Tom, I genuinely look forward to reading that later. A lot of interesting stuff there.And...this bit of history?
Top 5 Ancient Aztec Inventions
While the Aztecs are best known for their warlike ways and human sacrifices, their culture also gave birth to elaborate crafts and a highly organized system of government. In fact, some of their inventions are still used today.science.howstuffworks.com
The Aztec were scientists and well away from any Christian influence. Oddly though, they did all of their stuff without the wheel.
I by no means meant to imply that Christians were the only ones to make scientific discoveries or anything like that. I simply meant that the idea that you can't be a scientist and a Christian is categorically false. Just look at a lot of the scientific 'greats' of the last five hundred years.
Here is a picture from a book called "Brilliant" by Bruce Malone. It is a wonderful coffee table book that tries to see if history can fit on a 6000 year timeline. I feel he might be too dogmatic on a few things or too sure about stuff based on conjecture, but I really learned a lot of interesting history. Hopefully the picture is readable.
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Thanks for the article.
Say Tom, here is another article I have saved, that you may enjoy. I think it raises some very important points.
claremontreviewofbooks.com
The Ambiguity of the Evidence - Claremont Review of Books
The God Hypothesis should be considered as a possible explanation for our universe.
claremontreviewofbooks.com
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That is a really interesting article, and very well written. I may have to read that book.Say Tom, here is another article I have saved, that you may enjoy. I think it raises some very important points.
The Ambiguity of the Evidence - Claremont Review of Books
The God Hypothesis should be considered as a possible explanation for our universe.
On a side note, the author of that article lives near me. I may have met him, although I am not certain.
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Cool stuff there. I'd be interested to see if anyone is implementing their floating agriculture today. Also, talk about discipline in schools...Top 5 Ancient Aztec Inventions
While the Aztecs are best known for their warlike ways and human sacrifices, their culture also gave birth to elaborate crafts and a highly organized system of government. In fact, some of their inventions are still used today.
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The Aztecs developed the science of astronomy and the Mayans took it further. All done without any connection to Christian science.
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We wouldn't have 'science' without the influence of Bible-believing Christians.
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They weren't the only ones either.
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And you keep dancing around your comment alleging that we wouldn’t have science without Christian influence. You’re blinded in your faith. Too bad
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Copernicus sure wasn’t treated very well for centuries by Christian science
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Did you read #128? Once again, to clarify #125 about not having "science" without the Bible, I meant that many of the founders of modern science believed in the Bible. Sorry about that. Definitely meant "modern" science. These founders believed in an orderly God and an orderly universe.
Just to name a few that come to mind, guys like: Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, George Washington Carver, Blaise Pascal, Lord Kelvin, Samuel Morse, Louis Pasteur.
The common idea that is pushed by so many atheists today is that Christians can't be scientists (or good ones). This is a ridiculous notion.
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Au contraire, Tom. I'm awake and my eyes are fully open. Jesus heals the eyes of the blind.
I've tried to avoid feelings and experiences as proof for God, and stick mainly to logic and observations from the natural world for evidence, but I know God exists beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is no question in my mind. I have seen God work in my life and answer very specific prayers. I have experienced the leading and comfort of His Spirit and the truth of His word. The Bible is active and living and sharper than a two-edged sword.
At the end of the day, I really doubt this is an evidence issue. I think there is a God-sized hole in the heart of every man. And, you would never admit it, but I think you know God exists too.
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lol
where have I ever written about my beliefs and faith?
You've got no clue about how I think of either.
You jump to the conclusion that I don't believe in a god for some unknown reason.
