Tree Climbing Vs. Rock Climbing

No Bivy,
You kind of close, have you heard of Red River Gorge.
I'm no rock climber, but I went there with some friends of
mine that were a few times. NIce photos by the way. What's that long vertical shadow in your first pic?
 
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[...]The kinaesthetic awareness developed also helps when the tree starts moving around in the wind.
Other specific techniques I've found useful are heel and toe hooking though not found a use for figure of four yet. As Matt said try some aid climbing it will get you used to dealing with a rats nest of ropes.
What rock climbing will not prepare you for though is the 3-D nature of tree climbing, economical movement about the crown. [...]

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This mirrors my own experience. I grew up in a place called Bluff Park... we had plenty of cliffs to play on. Started technical rock climbing in about 1977. While I've helped people with trees and had to deal with a lot of windthrow after hurricane Fran, I just started real aborcare climbing a few months ago.

Someone told me rock was harder.. and I agree but only because that's the whole point of recreational rock climbing, you go for difficulty. NoBivy's picture tells the story (beautiful line by the way)... trees just aren't that sustained and in a tree, resting on the rope is what you're SUPPOSED to do.


What immediatly struck me when I started in trees was the exposed 3D environment, which I loved... and depending on things I wasn't used to depending on, which I didn't love. It's huge fun exploring the endless possibilties of climbing a big, wide tree canopy. Friction hitches and spurs were just foreign to me though, they still bother me a bit.

I like trees better now, but in my youth I would've chosen rock. I climb trees because it's just pure pleasure, my kids think its cool and it keeps me in shape (which is good when you're 46), the money is a necessary byproduct. I love being in a tall swaying tree.

Because of my history with rock and ropes, trees were a natural adaptation and I too started out using rock gear and technique on trees. Now I'm on a DRT rig. I guess the things that transfer from rock to trees for me are balance, opposition, jamming, and toe hooking... I still can't bear to use a knee. Rock conditioned me for fall exposure and the vertical environment... in spades, nothing better except maybe towers.

As for rope and knots, nothing transferred directly, they're all different except the prussik... but the fundementals of tying and dressing knots, managing rope and friction, keeping the rigging in order are all necessary for both disciplines.

Had I not been a rock climber, I wouldn't have thought of arborcare for a vocation.
 
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No Bivy,
You kind of close, have you heard of Red River Gorge.
I'm no rock climber, but I went there with some friends of
mine that were a few times. NIce photos by the way. What's that long vertical shadow in your first pic?

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That route is the Sun Ribbon Arete on Temple Crag in the Sierras. I'm not sure what caused that shadow. There was a notch you had to descend into to get down, maybe that was it? The second pic is OZ in yosemite, on Drug Dome.
 
I learned the ropes in trees first, then went to rock and mountaineering. to me, it seems that tree climbers are much more knowledgeable about the ropes and knots/splices which they depend on. maybe because tree climbers depend on their gear first, where rock climbers climb the rock and depend on rope and gear as backup?

I love rock climbing, but tree climbing is my first love

-Chris
 

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I live in a place where rock climbing is big. I get many customers asking me, "Do you rock climb?" I simply say, "Nop! Rock climbing doesn't pay enough. I can. I just don't."
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My opinion about climbing anything:

Either you were born with good climbing skills or you have to work very hard at it to do okay. I've gone head to head with a "rock climber." He spent many years learning how to climb from point A to point B. I matched his climbing efforts with no problem. Wasn't impressed.

Here is a guy I am impressed with (to name a few). Dan Osman

Unfortunately, his love for risky stuff took his life.
 
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Either you were born with good climbing skills or you have to work very hard at it to do okay. I've gone head to head with a "rock climber." He spent many years learning how to climb from point A to point B. I matched his climbing efforts with no problem. Wasn't impressed.

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It aint a contest, it's about getting to awesome places. Who cares if it doesn't pay, it aint about the money.
 

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Have to agree with points made by both notahacker and No Bivy, I think some people are born to climb stuff, any stuff, trees, rock, buildings, scaffolding, it just depends on chance which one you bump into first and it really can be addictive;I speak from experience as I was on permanent detention in my last year at school in a vain bid to stop me from spending every free hour climbing all over the walls of Kenilworth Castle. It seems this thread has disclosed quite a few members who have crossed disciplines, are there more in the closet?

Matt.
 
Cross disciplines? Since I was a kid I've climbed, ropes, boulders, rock, brick walls, one 12 story building, wooden decks, bridges, fire towers, water towers, lots of microwave towers, steel columns, scaffolds (didn't like scaffolds), slogged and glissaded steep glaciers and mixed rock/ice, and now, trees... I'm 46 now (anybody remeber EBs?) and still can't honestly say why I like climbing so much. Whitewater paddling is just as much fun but the extra logistics make it less accessable.
 
That reminds me of Looking Glass... Bert's Surf Shop off to the right? It's been a long time.

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Never mind... The Shield. Wicked. Never climbed in Yosimite, one of my life's regrets.
 
Aye, I remember EB's, the mutt's nuts until Boreal produced Fires. Ahh golden times, trying to squeeze your feet into a boot two sizes too small which still stretched despite containing almost as much rubber as a pair of wellies.

Matt.
 
thats funny that you mention Dan Osman, he just resurfaced in my mind last night while I was trying to figure out fall factors. His last jump, 1,100 feet and then 150 feet more when the line broke.
 
I just want to comment on Dan.. His line broke because he had set it up a month before attempting the jump... (The whether and UV diminished the rope strength) let that be a lesson to all about proper rope care! Lol
Oh and dose anyone know about the medical condition that eliminates fear? It’s rare but maybe he had that?? (It’s some sort of coating around the “fear” center in the brain and it stops you form being afraid of anything!) I wish I had that!

Oh I am also a fond rock climber and can “free” climb at a 5.7 level with a rope I can lead climb 5.12, and top roped I will try everything I also climb big mountains, as well as ice climb (waterfalls are fun).

dont get me wrong the guy was CRAZZEY!! like loony toons....
 
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I just want to comment on Dan.. His line broke because he had set it up a month before attempting the jump... (The whether and UV diminished the rope strength)

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Bladderash!
Rope doesn't deteriorate so much in such conditions.
It broke because it was mis-rigged and parts rubbed
and cut through other parts--at least that was the
educated conclusion of Black Diamond's (then) Chris
Harmston, who examined the broken rope.

*knudeNoggin*

cf http://groups.google.com/group/rec.climb...ddc7e3db5defbb5
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Analysis:

I only saw the one section of rope that was cut down and contained the
failure point.  I did not see the rigging, retrieval rope, or the section
that was attached to Dan directly.  


Everything I did was visual examination.  I did not untie any knot or
tamper with the rope in any way other than prying the knots to see inside.

With some insight from Doug Heinrich I concluded that the failure of Dan's
rope was not due to tensile overload or from being tampered with.  I
strongly believe that Dan did miscalculate on his last jump.   For some
reason he moved his jump site.  In doing so he crossed the ropes (either
on the retrieval line or on the main jump line).  When he jumped the first
knot above the one he was tied in with slid down a section of rope several
lengths up.  The sheath was heavily melted and removed in several sections
on this upper part of the rope.  The knot that slid down the rope was
melted in multiple locations and was melted nearly completely through,
deep inside the knot.  This knot was not tight, yet others in the system
were (this is the one open question that is unresolved as far as I know).

It is my conclusion that Dan's rope was cut by his own rope sliding
against itself.  Use of a magnifying glass indicated to me that the cut
surface was due to sliding action in one direction.  There was no evidence
of hot cutting with a knife or other type of instrument.  I conducted
further experiments in my lab to see if tensile overload could have caused
this failure.  The samples I tested were significantly different in that
they were heavily frayed and tattered.  My analysis of Dan's ropes in
general was that they were in great condition.  There was no evidence to
me of damage due to previous falls, uv exposure, or weather.
 I would have
climbed on these ropes without any hesitation had they not been from this
accident.  I do not believe that the condition of the ropes had anything
at all to do with the failure of the ropes.  Nor do I believe that Dan's
basic shock absorbing setup was incorrect.  Crossing the ropes was the
problem.

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