Tornado tree work in Maryland, News video.

Very sad day today. Just got word several hours ago. A weekend warrior just got killed today. I assume, a weekend warrior, cause it was Saturday and I don't know him. Cut the last limb with his climbing line still attached to it. Slammed him to a45ft death fall.

I heard married and 4 kids.
 
That is sad X . Hey on the bright side you got an interview, this area storms hit and you get a vid. sweep of people working(the no ppe shot) and then they find the guy with a button up shirt to tell everyone what happened and what to do. I don't know why they find the landscaper that looks like hll to shoot and talk too baffles me.



Idea(bling light bulb) make a commercial about what people should know before calling for cleanup.
 
Well, news released on the guy that died. The very "tree service" they showed on the storm work video that I complained about... Banes Lawn and tree... That's the business that just had the climber die yesterday.

So says this article:

http://belair.patch.com/articles/man-dies-after-fall-from-tree-in-bel-air?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001

I would have rather not have had this death happen to prove my point. But it does prove my point. If you hire unskilled people, you might have a death on your property. Yes, even highly skilled people can make a mistake and die, but I think much more likely if the person does not have a lot of experience and skill. I'm kinda assuming this person was not real skilled, but also got some word that he didn't have much experience.

real shame...
 
Whether you know it or not, You wish for stuff like this. It provides you with self justification. Yes you are benchmark for awesomeness in our industry, but really. Be positive. Where do you have left to go when you are on top? I pray for you. Peace brother.
 
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Whether you know it or not, You wish for stuff like this. It provides you with self justification. Yes you are benchmark for awesomeness in our industry, but really. Be positive. Where do you have left to go when you are on top? I pray for you. Peace brother.

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Thank you for your thoughts and there is some degree of truth in it, in a way, I've been thinking about it a lot. Except the awesomeness part, that I don't agree with. Also, if I'm on top, the only place to go now is back down... Thanks for praying for me, pray for this guys family too.

He, right now is just a name to me. I think I would rather it stay that way. If I knew him or anyone around him, it would be much harder to comment anywhere publically on this. I honestly do not want to see anyone injured or die. Near misses or property damage to give the climber and customer a reality check are welcome I think though.

We are all open to mistakes and failures, I might die tomorrow.
 
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That is sad X . Hey on the bright side you got an interview, this area storms hit and you get a vid. sweep of people working(the no ppe shot) and then they find the guy with a button up shirt to tell everyone what happened and what to do. I don't know why they find the landscaper that looks like hll to shoot and talk too baffles me.



Idea(bling light bulb) make a commercial about what people should know before calling for cleanup.

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Yes, that would be a good commercial idea if someone wanted to buy a commercial. It gives the public some good information and gets you business.

If for some reason, we ever need to advertise, that would be a good one.

Here is a thought. Channel 11 news decided to show this Bane's tree and lawn service and did not show my message of warning to homeowners.

A week later, a climber for Bane's tree service dies.

I wonder where this home owner got the name Bane's Tree and Lawn?

I've never known of that company, never heard of them.

So how did this homeowner find them?

Could it be that channel 11 showing this Bane's Lawn and Tree lead them to more jobs in our area?

Could this person still be alive today if they were not shown on TV.

It would be interesting if someone asked the home owner how they found Bane's Tree and Lawn.

(Most likely, it came from a referral from a storm damaged homeowner, referred them to a friend or family. Because I searched a little on internet and found no information on this company, no phone number or address.)

But what if?

Wonder what chain of events lead to this job where the climber was killed?

Also, it was a Saturday. Were they working 6 or 7 days a week, dealing with a quick surge of work? Was he very fatigued from working so much? The guy on the news, Vern Hickman with Bane's tree service said, "we are backed up for a month". Were they feeling pressure to complete their jobs faster? (5 or 6 weeks is normal for us, but I think a month is a lot for most small tree services).
 
The fatigue and backlog pressure combined with inexperience is probably what caused this tragedy. Sad but true, funnily it wasn't the owner of the business that was up in the tree. I wouldn't dare send someone up a tree if they were in that position. I do all my own climbing because I haven't seen anyone around here who has the maturity to acknowledge when they are out of their depth. I would feel really fukced up if someone was to die doing MY work. I am now training a climber ( one of my very good groundies doing small stuff ) but it is like pulling teeth AAGH. David you are being very honest and I respect that, especially in response to Flashdog in which you sounded sincere.
 
In the tornado hit area, there was also a very large Tulip tree, uprooted partially, fell into another large Tulip.

I am not exaggerating the size, I will measure diameter for the exact size when final trunk is felled; I'm quite sure it's around 4 foot diameter, maybe slightly over that.

It's height after judging from the crane height (tip of crane 134 feet)was likely around 140 feet. IF 140 feet, it would be likely the tallest tree removal I've done in my career. Before that, some 132 footers or 134 and maybe a 138-140 foot. Definitely in the top 5 tallest or likely THE tallest removal.

Anyway, back to the situation. It uprooted in the tornado, wedged tight into another large tulip tree. Fairly high angle though, with huge 25 foot root plate. So, tree more likely to stand back up verses continue falling.

The home owner normally works with.... say tree company "C". Tree company C looks at it for a little while, shakes his head and said you better call Arbor-X on this one. (the home owner tells me this, as we are not taking new customers).

Now, I applaud tree company C. We on treebuzz have talked about this before; having the sense to recognize and walk away from something that you or your employees are not experienced with. This is a reputable company that does a large volume of work and only has a few jobs they have said they don't want to do.

Well, I look at the tree and I'm in love with the job. I tell them I'm NOT going to price it as an emergency rate job. Just a normal job. Going to price it accurate, what is fair for the time and crane involved. Nothing more, nothing less.

I spent probably an hour on site, piecing it out in my mind. Plus another tree they wanted out.

When i gave them the detailed estimate, I could tell they didn't like the price, because they REALLY thanked me for my time.

A day went by, I texted tree company C and thanked him for the referral but it looked like i was not getting the job.

He inquired with the H.O. He found out that two lawn service companies (one of which was Bane's) and several tree service companies had approached him asking to do the work. One was $3000 less than me, another was $2000 less than me. With the big price difference he was considering them. After tree service C talked to the H.O. pleading with then not to go with anyone else for safety and property sake, the H.O. contacted me and said they think they want to go with me, especially if i could do anything with the price. Tree service C had explained that there was very few jobs they pass and that the other companies submitting estimates were way underqualified to do the job; which could result in a climber death or property damage.

If I didn't love the looks of the job, I would have said NO, the price is the price; as I have done for quite some time now. (it's been so nice getting rid of customers that try to beat the price down). Anyway, I re-wrote it, re-figured it for the absolute fasted we could ever be on it. Then they accepted.

Here are some pictures. I can't imagine it going well for someone without significant experience. It went very smooth for us, but only because we took preventative measures; knowing it could very well stand back up, or could continue to fall. Most of the job is video from a tripod camera and my helmet camera. A few still pictures were taken from the ground, I will show them here.

(one of the lawn guys told the 85 yr old woman next door that she NEEDED to allow them to park a pickup truck in her front lawn so that they could pull the tree with a cable to keep it from falling on the house next door)
 
oh, my point is this: It's amazing how many "companies" wanted to take on this tree even though they were not very experienced. And take it on cheap at that!

picture of the smaller tree we did first:
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picture of the large leaning tornado tulip.

25 foot root plate.

4 foot plus diameter trunk

About three picks already taken off of the tree at this picture, then crane moving closer.

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after one LONG day, 39 yds of chips and a load of upper logs to haul away; two trunks remain to be felled and hauled away another day.

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a good video coming some day.... Even got good aerial footage from my brother that flew his paraglider around the tree the day before the removal. Clearly the biggest tree around that area.
 

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