Topping dead firs

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Ah the old, if all else fails tie in. Would love to see a fall test of that! Especially with spurs, a saw, and the top coming down too!

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Ryan, I am not sure where you are coming from. What do you mean?

Tony

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I know what he means. Not much chance, I agree. But still a chance, which is better than no chance. Tree work's a tough job alright!
 
Tony this is what I was referring to.

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I think on that first top the steel core was used as a single tie in, I didn't notice a climb line.

Neat pic, cute kid.

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The second tie in was about 10 ft down, on the cedar below me.

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Reg was saying he was tied in with his climbing line well below where he was working. I'm sure many of us who have done sketchy removals over the years have done this. I know I have. Thankfully I haven't gone for the test drop yet. I'm sure it would be exciting and perhaps kind of anticlimactic.
 
I noticed that the first time I watched the video Reg. I figured I'd let someone else mention it, I didn't want to be 'that guy', but oh well.

I shouldn't always assume the worst in people, bad habit I've been working on, but I'm getting better.

Either way, I'm glad I asked you because I wanted to know what was up. I'd hate to have some 18 year old know-it-all tree climber whose lurking on the buzz think he can just stick with a single tie because Reg did. Now they know to at least give themselves somewhat of a chance just in case, hopefully if they were paying attention, fools.

I think that's the first time i've ever seen you not in your work clothes Reg. Cool.
 
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I noticed that the first time I watched the video Reg. I figured I'd let someone else mention it, I didn't want to be 'that guy', but oh well.

I shouldn't always assume the worst in people, bad habit I've been working on, but I'm getting better.

Either way, I'm glad I asked you because I wanted to know what was up. I'd hate to have some 18 year old know-it-all tree climber whose lurking on the buzz think he can just stick with a single tie because Reg did. Now they know to at least give themselves somewhat of a chance just in case, hopefully if they were paying attention, fools.

I think that's the first time i've ever seen you not in your work clothes Reg. Cool.

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Lots of guys single-tie and cut around here Brian. Strip the tree on the way up, then double tie for the topping....because its faster. If they cut the steel core, depending on how bad it is, it may or may not save them.

If they slip or gaff-out on a wide tree then they probably wont fall far because there's so much surface contact from an extended flipline. Skinny poles would probably leave you with a few bumps and bruises for sure.

What if my flipline just un-clipped or failed somehow? well that could happen at any point during a climb. I dont know anyone who would double tie just to spur and secure themselves up a tree....and thats not really frowned upon.

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I shouldn't always assume the worst in people, bad habit I've been working on, but I'm getting better.

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Define that phrase can you Brian?

I chatted to an old-timer on the peninsular here who used to top spruce that were 14ft across at he base....he was a faller too. Looked to be in his 70s now. Doubt very much he was double tied to top those monsters....or even packed a climb-line at all for that matter....yet he'd probably seen more big tree action than any member of this forum, with the exception of Jerry perhaps....and lived to tell the tales. Should I think 'the worst' in him, because he wasn't double tied?

Probably the best policy is dont cut your line with a chainsaw....same as your hands, face or any other body parts. With that in mind I dont really have a a strong opinion on being double tied while cutting. I would try to dissuade a novice from doing it, but never an experienced climber or topper.

The first company that I worked for didn't use fliplines or lanyards at all....just a climbing line. And it was pretty much frowned upon if you ever tied in on the way up to your high point...as if there was something wrong with you almost. Pruning was different, you were allowed to use both ends of your line because of the long gaps between limbs sometimes. There were some outstanding climbers there, who excelled with a minimum amount of equipment, all that with an almost impeccable safety record. This is a company that started in the early 70s. In a tree, in terms of production, they would destroy every sophisticated climber that Ive worked with siince....and there's been many.

What Im saying is, dont be so quick to judge. Opinions and discussion are always good....but in general there seems to be way too much finger pointing and wagging goes on at tree forums. This is a minority community of the tree industry, and by no means the elite. We'd all be better off to remind ourselves of that now and then. Thanks.
 
Yes Reg, it's important... not assuming the worst in people. Since I've started working on that, It's been making me a better person. I figured you were in the zone and spiked up and threw that top without much of a second thought. We've all done it, not that it matters much, it would just seem out of your character.

I didn't once stop and think you had a back up plan, now I'm glad I asked, after all it did come from the heart.

I figured you'd get frustrated with me mentioning the fact in the first place, that's why I kept quiet. I cant stand or tolerate the 'finger pointing' that goes on in tree forums. It's stupid and pointless really. Single tie, double tie, who cares and what happened to just trusting a professionals judgement.

I've learned a large amount of my tree working abilities studying your work. Being a youtube baby, I was always frustrated when you didn't allow comments on your videos, but as I dug deeper I found some great dialogue here on this forum, and realize I still have a lot to learn... so here we are.
 
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I figured you'd get frustrated with me mentioning the fact in the first place, that's why I kept quiet.

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Not frustrated at all Brian. Just trying to encourage you to an open mind.
 
I don't get up on spikes much but I have left a stub on the back cut side to give a lever to push up with rather than pull down on. I always felt safer that way and your story makes me feel better for it. You work in a different world than I do, watching those big dead tops go over makes me nervous. I usually just have to deal with houses that can't be hurt, a little more on the rope work side of the industry.

Do you vary the angle of your face cut depending on the tree and situation?
 
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I don't get up on spikes much but I have left a stub on the back cut side to give a lever to push up with rather than pull down on. I always felt safer that way and your story makes me feel better for it. You work in a different world than I do, watching those big dead tops go over makes me nervous. I usually just have to deal with houses that can't be hurt, a little more on the rope work side of the industry.

Do you vary the angle of your face cut depending on the tree and situation?

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Hi George. Mostly I try to make the face quite narrow, to separate it from the stump fast. A wide face will hold on at the hinge longer, so it will pull on the stem really hard before it lets go. You dont want that.
 
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I figured you'd get frustrated with me mentioning the fact in the first place, that's why I kept quiet.

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Not frustrated at all Brian. Just trying to encourage you to an open mind.

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I appreciate that, I could open up a little more at times. Reg, another thought though is, don't always assume the best in people either. At least not these days.
 

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