timber hitch for rigging

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obviously you dont know. a false crotch would be with a pulley being manufactured. drop crotch would be catching it to itself with a rope and a nub.thats the term i was taught for that. thats the problem if you werent so quick to shoot your mouth off with uncalled for comments you would think before you comment

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LMAO This guy comes right out of a cracker jack box.

(1) Fasle crotch: the means of making a rigging point to the trunk of a tree. This manner can be done with slings, loopie, or rope and a pulleys. It can also be made with the use of just ropes.

(2) Drop crotch: The means of reduceing a limb, or crown reduction to a healthy latteral.

LMAO seems you need a few more classes.
 
whatever i did say pulley for false crotch.your problem is you are a wise a$$ ialready said thats what i was taught the term meant. i didnt say it was the proper term i wasnt sure again running wise a$$ mouth again. im sure i could teach you a few things about tree work. wait you already know it all wise guy
 
like i said you are never done learning.i see what you mean with the prunning term. ive never heard that till now.so you are saying that catching a top to itself with just a rope is still called false crotch? anyway the point i was trying to make was useing a keeper (probally not the right term) at the end of whatever you were taking with a timber hitch. i never really cared for prunes i always like the take downs.balanceing leads off of houses and stuff like that. but i never claimed to know it all was trying to give an opinion but whatever i am not gonna sit here and throw stones back and fourth. i didnt think thats what this site was all about
 
lets all take a deep breath now... in with the good... out with the bad... Feel better? Not everything is meant to be confrontational.
 
I was just curious, definitely didn't intend offense... and Holly's just playing, he takes as good as he gives.

I'd never heard 'drop crotch' applied to rigging. I think what you're talking about I would call a natural crotch. I realize you're talking about blocking stems but you're still using natural features on the tree for rigging points. Is that right.

I learned about drop crotching from a Duke Energy arborist who worked with Shigo when he was brought in to preserve some big old trees that had lines put in above them. It saves the tree but I hate the way it looks.

Sorry you took offense.
 
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I want to apologize to you for that turning into that with your post. It is my (opinion) that the timber hitch is a good hitch I hope I used the right terminology. It takes a little longer to tie but I have never seen one fail that was setup right.im sure I will be kicked around for this too but again sorry.
 
Nobody is kicking you around troop. Mostly we're writing because we don't have anything better to do.

Sharp wit is hard`to get across on a forum but that doesn't stop us from trying... and Holly ain't too witty to begin with anyway.
 
Yes, that is what I was trying to say. I am really old school. Nevertheless, hey I am open to learning even the proper terminology. All kidding aside, I am a seasoned tree climber. I am hooked yes addicted to tree work ive been doing it all my life. I was not offended by your comments that’s why I replied to you separate. It wasn’t meant to be wise torwards you . If that’s the way you took it, I guess I owe you an apology. However, yeah that’s what I meant I was shown that false crotch was the use of pulleys or another rope or karabiners for a crotch. What is the proper term for the keeper that I was talking about or is that right
 
How can a timber hitch take any longer to tie than any other knot ? Thats killing me , explain that please , and how does it take longer to untie ?
 
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[...] However, yeah that’s what I meant I was shown that false crotch was the use of pulleys or another rope or karabiners for a crotch. What is the proper term for the keeper that I was talking about or is that right

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I'm not the best guy to answer that. When I use a block (pulley) to rig chunks off a stem... I guess i don't really even know a name for that but it's basically the same as a false crotch.

I don't get wound up over terms but the drop crotch thing kinda stuck with me because I see those poor trees every week.
 
in my opinion it takes longer than say a bowline or a running bowline. Because you have to take the time to go around the tree around the rope and wrap (twist) around the rope back in the other direction. I do not think the hitch is referred to as a knot because there is no actual not there probably making it stronger.
 
so you have to go around the tree and rope and twist , don't you have to go around the tree and rope and turn to tie a running bowline ? I think they can be tied in the same time , and I think the timber hitch can be untied faster . I miss Stanley and his knotboard , remember that knot tying race they used to hold at the ITCC . I'd take that race , timber hitch running bowline , be close . You'd lose .
 
yes right but you have to go around and around several times with the timber i can tie a running bowline faster than a timber hitch anyday as long as your tieing the timber hitch properly not twice around and thats it
 
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although i may be over killing it with the twists. i figure better to be safe that sorry


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This sorta leads into my question. How many twists and how far around the trunk must the timber hitch be tied/twisted to be considered right? I'm trying to figure out what needs to be done to properly tie and set this "knot"

I pride myself in knowing a lot of knots, this one i'm not sure of how to do properly so i refrain from using it. I would like to learn though, it def has its time and place.
 
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