Tie into tree,Tie into crane? That is the question

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Doug is an amazing operator, thank your lucky friggin' guardian angel that you have a chance to work with him.


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And is Doug as good a tree climber as he is crane operator?

I wouldn't blindly follow anyone’s advice Royce, don’t care who he is. Nothing wrong with asking what other climbers on the forum think about the situation you are about to enter....there's a wealth of knowledge on treebuzz from folks who have been around, and from different backgrounds and work experiences etc

I'm sure your new company will put you at ease about any concerns you might have anyway....they employed you after all and so want to bring the best out of you as you do them.

Justin, regarding the saw thing: I'd gladly ditch the top handle for something with a little more poke. I do use the 390 up there a lot but its quite cumbersome to otherwise move around the tree with. Problem is I have nothing in between that and the 338 top-handle, and am just reluctant to spend the money right now. I can manage with the 338 but will concede its truly pitiful on hardwoods.
 
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And is Doug as good a tree climber as he is crane operator?



Justin, regarding the saw thing: I'd gladly ditch the top handle for something with a little more poke. I do use the 390 up there a lot but its quite cumbersome to otherwise move around the tree with. Problem is I have nothing in between that and the 338 top-handle, and am just reluctant to spend the money right now. I can manage with the 338 but will concede its truly pitiful on hardwoods.

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yes from what i understand doug is a former climber now crane guy that still hangs on the odd occasion.

i can agree the 390 might be a pain in the stick up there....

to be dead honest reg, the best saw out there for crane work while climbing is the 372xp. perfect weight with plenty of testicle for bigger wood. as we speak i use the 460mag but i asked for that saw so i am going to use it as if it is my favorite saw even though i know the 372 is just a bit better to be using IN the tree. fullwrap though. i cant emphasize that enough. try it and you will love to climb and cut with it.

i'd even say the 357xp (no longer made) would be a good saw but ,again, what about the bigger wood..... i really wouldn't go any smaller than that unless you have a geeked out 346.

reg, maybe you can parlay some of this stein loot into a new saw brother!

stay safe.
 
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"its really simple. not calling any of you queer for using a top handle but how smart is it to be tying up groundmen and wasting time when 1 saw is all you need."

*puke* I guess we all men's men here ( *grunt,grunt, grabing crotch*), please save it for some where else.

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hey evo. what are you, the adam lambert of treebuzz? relax.
 
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I don't care how big the crane is you normally use. Isn't there some jobs where the crane is maxed out on length and flattened out to almost horizontal and all the pick it can handle is like 1500 lbs? What are you doing carrying a 24" bar when the diameter of the cut you are taking is like 10 inches?

Big giant crane, taking one to three cuts to do a whole tree nearby, = very little skill needed, = big deal, = no reason to brag. Well.... unless you own the crane I guess.

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actually yes. yes i do carry that much saw everytime. you want speed AND power for those cuts. sever the wood as fast as possible. you know the piece is going to be acting funny if you cutting in those situations. you only gonna pinch your saw because you can't finish the cut fast enough.

and just for clarification.....how many cranes you know that can be full stick at Odegrees and still be good for 1500lbs?


here's a pic close to what you talking about. no tophandle here. this little oak was growing up into the radio antenna and we were only good for your 1500ish on these picks.
 

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Royce is getting to much crap for asking a fair and honest question. There are lots of ways to do crane work.

As far as the saw thing goes, I'm pretty sure Oldirty is a giant human being. When you're 6'6" and have mitts like a gorilla it won't matter how heavy your saw is, not much anyway. Ya know what I mean?
 
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actually yes. yes i do carry that much saw everytime. you want speed AND power for those cuts. sever the wood as fast as possible. you know the piece is going to be acting funny if you cutting in those situations. you only gonna pinch your saw because you can't finish the cut fast enough.



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ahhh, okay. We cut and take our picks differently. I call that the old way; cut fast because the peice is going to pinch -because you are only using one or two slings and the pick is likely going to be moving a lot until it equalizes. Plus the crane opperator better be ready quick on the winching up right? So you the climber don't get hit by the moving pick. Okay, I got your opperation now.
That's fine, it works okay. That's the way we did it here in the 90's.

You are going to push me to put out a crane video, so I can show you another way to do crane work. Nice, smooth, calm and safe. (I really don't have time to be doing that though until maybe this winter....)

But seriously, now I understand why you feel you need a big fast saw. I'd like to show you why I like a slower smaller saw.
 
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and just for clarification.....how many cranes you know that can be full stick at Odegrees and still be good for 1500lbs?


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just our k-boom and I know Mike Poors and Allmarks k-boom is about the same at horizontal I think.

I don't know stick booms at horizontal very well.... From your question, I guess that means stick booms can't do that much?

how about below horizontal? see picture.
 

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and Royce was not bad mouthing his company he works for.

He's taking his own free time to research and learn more about the job he does during the day to become a better informed and safer more efficient climber.

So if he get crap from his employer for this thread or co-workers or friends of the employer, shame on them.
 
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oh xman. just have to be right huh? not on this one bud. you just don't get it.

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What happened to your big post I was replying to huh?

I submitted my reply, then this site said I couldn't because you deleted it.
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About your post you deleted (he was saying that his crew and crane could out do our k-boom any day and that I really don't understand anything. It is guys like him that I need, not equipment like our k-boom. He said his boss can leave the jobsite, can I do that? He said I'm wrong... oh so wrong....) this was my response to it:


huh? I'm wrong about what? I don't understand. Read my stuff over more than once before you respond.

I wasn't saying our k-boom and I can get stuff done faster than whatever equipment your crew comes with....

I don't know enough about you as a climber and I don't know enough about the crane and equipment and I wasn't even contemplating what crew would be faster, I just said I understand now why you think a climber needs a big fast saw with a crane assisted removal. But now I'll add this; your crappy picks are probably sloppy, that's why you need a big fast saw.

Guys like you I don't need, not with an attitude on the buzz worse than Hollen. I understand why Hollen does it, he's a contract climber and needs to boast his stuff. I like to work on the tree crew and our customers like to see me there too. So, need guys like you? No way. Want guys like you? No way. Big talking SOB's like yourself usually do so because you are lacking in things and the internet is your way of building yourself up in your fantasy mind.
 
well i was going to try to keep it civil and i was going to try to let this thread die.

but no.

i was right. you are a whiny little bitch that needs to be right or close to it. he said this and he said that.......

lol. just a whiny little bitch. i bet you throw temper tantrums on the jobsite too.

listen. call jm. ask him about me. i am the man when it comes to treework. i don't care about holly/ed. i am talking about you being a bitch and me being the man.

i do great work. not good, not ok. great.

but this isn't about me, its about you being a little bitch.
 
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As far as the saw thing goes, I'm pretty sure Oldirty is a giant human being. When you're 6'6" and have mitts like a gorilla it won't matter how heavy your saw is, not much anyway. Ya know what I mean?

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hahaha.
 
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well i was going to try to keep it civil and i was going to try to let this thread die.

but no.

i was right. you are a whiny little bitch that needs to be right or close to it. he said this and he said that.......

lol. just a whiny little bitch. i bet you throw temper tantrums on the jobsite too.

listen. call jm. ask him about me. i am the man when it comes to treework. i don't care about holly/ed. i am talking about you being a bitch and me being the man.

i do great work. not good, not ok. great.

but this isn't about me, its about you being a little bitch.

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I almost just spit my supper on the screen here. Maybe cause I know you Oldirty, or maybe it was just plain funny?
 
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and just for clarification.....how many cranes you know that can be full stick at Odegrees and still be good for 1500lbs?


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Check out a Grove chart alot of the older ones are rated at 0 degrees.
 
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well i was going to try to keep it civil and i was going to try to let this thread die.

but no.

i was right. you are a whiny little bitch that needs to be right or close to it. he said this and he said that.......

lol. just a whiny little bitch. i bet you throw temper tantrums on the jobsite too.

listen. call jm. ask him about me. i am the man when it comes to treework. i don't care about holly/ed. i am talking about you being a bitch and me being the man.

i do great work. not good, not ok. great.

but this isn't about me, its about you being a little bitch.

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I almost just spit my supper on the screen here. Maybe cause I know you Oldirty, or maybe it was just plain funny?

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Oh yeah Boston Bull?!

You think it's so funny because I basically called you a little office store running bitch in the past and now your happy OldDirty said this.

OldDirty what's your real name and show me a picture of your bad self. MF!
 
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well i was going to try to keep it civil and i was going to try to let this thread die.

but no.

i was right. you are a whiny little bitch that needs to be right or close to it. he said this and he said that.......

lol. just a whiny little bitch. i bet you throw temper tantrums on the jobsite too.

listen. call jm. ask him about me. i am the man when it comes to treework. i don't care about holly/ed. i am talking about you being a bitch and me being the man.

i do great work. not good, not ok. great.

but this isn't about me, its about you being a little bitch.


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I almost just spit my supper on the screen here. Maybe cause I know you Oldirty, or maybe it was just plain funny?

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Not sure How I got back into this tif. but I'll tell ya one thing dirty. Crane picks I can do them all day, one strap and be perfect balance.

Here I give ya a clip six real trees with a crane and one manual with a puke 26 tonner and my bitch 200 saw. Done in 8 hours with just 3 guys. Care to place them numbers agaist your 39 tonner and what was that 4-5-6 guys. You want my best day ever call Luo Giroud tree 12156827704 ask them about my $10,000 day by 12:01 with a 30 tonner at full reach. Hell ask them about my $4200 by 12:00 manual without a crane. Remind you they run only 3 man crews as do most.

Lack of ppe is cuase my son took my helmet out my bag without me knowing, to play Kick Buttowski on his tricycle.


Sorry about the derail. You want to call me out some more ball sissy just use the pm.

Now be a man and run the tree out you'll beat the ball hanger everytime.
 
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well i was going to try to keep it civil and i was going to try to let this thread die.

but no.

i was right. you are a whiny little bitch that needs to be right or close to it. he said this and he said that.......

lol. just a whiny little bitch. i bet you throw temper tantrums on the jobsite too.

listen. call jm. ask him about me. i am the man when it comes to treework. i don't care about holly/ed. i am talking about you being a bitch and me being the man.

i do great work. not good, not ok. great.

but this isn't about me, its about you being a little bitch.

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I almost just spit my supper on the screen here. Maybe cause I know you Oldirty, or maybe it was just plain funny?

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Oh yeah Boston Bull?!

You think it's so funny because I basically called you a little office store running bitch in the past and now your happy OldDirty said this.

OldDirty what's your real name and show me a picture of your bad self. MF!

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I dont remember you calling me an office store running bitch. Im in that place 20 minutes a day to check on the guys, if im lucky. Dont need to be present when you have a great team to work with. Rest of the time im out running a crew. Ask anyone that knows me or of me. I dont know where I have done you wrong? Was it when we sat with you and you brother and bouhgt you drinks, and answered every business question and gear question you guys had? Do you have a vendetta because we couldnt make youre Kboom demo? Whats up?


Oldirty is the real deal, ill vouch for him anyday of the week. I would pitt him and Supa against you and any kboom all day long.


Call me anytime you want X, id be more than happy to hear your voice on the line. PM me for my number if you lost it from the time we sat @ TCI.
 
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OldDirty what's your real name and show me a picture of your bad self. MF!

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one of my favs.
 

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