The Mini-loader thread

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Mix and match statistics and you end up with nothing more than drivel. The Boxer lifts higher.

I can make up numbers and rating systems to.

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Too bad you can't read and understand english.
For one, I didn't mix and match crap. These are the true stats from each manufactures site on their minis.

The boxer does not lift higer, it lifts max hight 60". The boxer does not lift only 100 pounds less at max hight, it lifts 100 pounds less to 50% less of it's hight before it will tip forward and will lift 735 pounds 35% less of it full hight before it tips over. Any one who has and runss a mini knows at 70% of lift hight is the weakest link in any mini. At 70% of the lift hight the mini will flip forward if the load is more than 735 pounds. It will lift 2099.99 pounds 6 inches off the ground without tipping.

Even the Vermeer is a better mini with a max weight hight lift of 840lbs. And beats them both with a work horse load of 2400. If all I'm doing if grunting stuff to the curb. while other stuff picks and moves it then my money would be on the Vermeer. If I want to grunt and load Ramrod. Want a cheap price but yet a good mini Boxer.
 
I might of mentioned this B4

First I was a Thomas dealer, they went Bankrupt and no longer make the minis. Some after market parts still available. Darn good "Chevy" machine.

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Then I became a Ramrod Dealer, My first machine in 98 was a Ramrod, very good machine. There new 905s and 950s they put Kawasaki engines in them, they had fuel bypassing the float and filling the crankcase with Gas. trying to get them to stand behind there product was almost impossible, they cheaped out on conponents and they got real expensive. They came out with a walk behind 36" machine that would not curl the bucket back far enough to carry a load, so all attachments had to have a shoe to kick out an angle so the attachment would roll back far enough. When I told them to take the machine back and design it so all attachments would work the owner of the company refused and said "no body put a gun to my head to buy it"
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That among other slanderous stories I will not repeat, There Capacities are suspect and they got vary expensive. They hang there dealers out to dry after that crap I fired them. They basically are not a bad machine the factory has very bad management.
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Then I became a Boxer dealer, all in all a pretty good machine for the money. Decent enough people to work with and quality components + 3 year warranty.
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Yea Dave would know best, what runs his grapple best. I could of swore he used to use Ramrods all the time. I'm sure the pic of the cutie with her leg hoched up on the grapple is connected to a white wheeled ramrod.

Though I could be mistaken Lets compare from many's sites

Model # 532DX General Specifications
Tip Capacity: 2100 LBS
Dump Height: 60 "
Operating Capacity, 35% of tip load: 735 LBS
Operating Capacity, 50% of tip load: 1050 LBS

Ramrod’s Superior Lift Height and Lift Capacity
Compact utility vehicle operators told us they needed to lift more weight and lift them higher than ever before. The Ramrod 1150 Track Drive unit can do just that by lifting 1,150 lbs. (523 kg.) to a 72” hinge pin height while being capable of carrying a load of up to 2,300 lbs. (1,046 kg.).

S800TX - Full Specifications
Height (to hinge pin) 84.5 " 214.6 cm
Rated Operating Capacity (SAE) 840 lbs 381 kg
Tipping Capacity (w/ 175 lb. operator) 2400 lbs 1088.6 kg

Well the 3 big boys on the block seems Vermeer has the hight, but a combo blow Ramrod runs away with it.
1150lbs compared to 735 and 840lbs

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The Dump height is not the same as hinge pin height
76" on the 5 series and incredible 70" on the 3 series.

I can tell you I had an 1150 next to a 25 G in my shop and it was not impressive the G counter weighted picked up more than the stock Rammy.

You guys have to remember that Hydraulics do the work if you can pick it up it the wheels and track will move it,these "cadillac" minis with big diesels still only weigh ~2500#s if you latch on to a big log and it can't lift it with all that power you will just spin your wheels and tracks. Some of the Chevys counterweighted pick up as much the expensive machines, once the load is in the air the little machine will move it. If you are digging soil and ripping concrete up you can use that diesel power, Tree work though you are not going to drag a log across your clients lawn. I think the big diesels are over priced for the little extra performance you get. the 5 series Boxer is unique with the telescoping tracks which has its advantages and you have to pay for that.
 
Some good insight here.

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Tree work though you are not going to drag a log across your clients lawn.

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Depends on the price, time alloted. I got enough money and done with enough time left over I might. 1 guy can fix grass with alittle topsoil and seed or sod. 1-2 of 1 man hours compared to 2-4 hours of a whole tree crew not to rip it? Seems more cost effective to send 1 back with a pick up and fix it.
 
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Yea Dave would know best, what runs his grapple best.

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I have been blessed to have mini Grapples on 3 continents and on ALL the mini models out there that I am aware of.
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Talking to these varied Mini Owners across the country 99% (Jamin?) love there machines. They tell me they would not go back to operating there Tree Biz with out one, and to a man they lamented not buying a mini sooner.

Now my company had a big Clam truck so all we needed the minis to do, was forward the the tree to the street. Loading logs was not an issue for us, we fed the chipper brush and staged the logs at the curb.
So thats why I have not been so concerned about the specs on all the different models, 8" more lift than another, 200 (supected #s) of more lift, Big whoop to me. Its all minor to the HUGE advantage just having any machine will do your tree forwarding and handling operations.

Here is a BMG in Austrailia on a German made Schaffer articulating machine.
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The boxer does not lift higer, it lifts max hight 60"...

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Ram Rod lists the hinge/bucket pin height, Boxer lists dump height. Boxer's hinge pin height is 76".

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The boxer does not lift only 100 pounds less at max hight, it lifts 100 pounds less to 50% less of it's hight before it will tip forward and will lift 735 pounds 35% less of it full hight before it tips over...

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35% and 50% refers to the percentage of tipping capacity, not lifting height. The standard is 50% on wheel machines and 35% on tracked machines.

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Any one who has and runss a mini knows at 70% of lift hight is the weakest link in any mini.

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That is entirely false. The weakest point, with a radial lift arm, is the point where the center of gravity of the arm and attachment is the farthest from the front tires/sproket. That point varys on every machine, and with every attachement.


SAE J818 is the standard for a loader's capacity rating. Another thing that is spec'ed is the distance from the bucket pin that the load is applied, which makes a huge difference when trying to compare apples to apples.
 
Well poop, didn't refresh before I submitted.

I've been itching to design a mini ground the ground up, but I'm fairly busy with other design work so it's been put on the back burner.

For starters it would have smooth sides, maybe holes, but nothing sticking past the steel sides to get bashed on. I also think that a telescoping boom would be a fantastic option.
 
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got any deals on the articulating variety Dave.I love my boxer but need a larger machine for some other stuff.

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Just sold that used Gehl AL20 I had,

Check these babys out
http://www.gehl.com/const/prod_al.html

Here is the Gehl140 next to the Boxer 726
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Got to tell you the Gehl is thrice the Boxer
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Better price than the Boxer, Swinger and Wacker, American made, Excellent Parts and service reputation. No brainer decision which one I would buy
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That is entirely false.

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Yes yes I see now the light. Though, I was talking grapples lifting stuff. You are now talking all the different attachments. I stand corrected.

Man Humble pie taste like crap.
 
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Well poop, didn't refresh before I submitted.

I've been itching to design a mini ground the ground up, but I'm fairly busy with other design work so it's been put on the back burner.

For starters it would have smooth sides, maybe holes, but nothing sticking past the steel sides to get bashed on. I also think that a telescoping boom would be a fantastic option.

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You the S____ man I would buy any mini you designed, no questions asked
 
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