SRT Poll
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TC
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Never work off SRT just use it for access.
You can work off it with back up. I only do it it RAD style with the line choked at the TIP, and a choked lanyard to my central anchor.
If I have long branch walks, I'll use another technique involving running DdRT off the access line. This involves choking the TIP again (I'm not worried about emergency descent because I'm tied into the DdRT system. I only have to unclip from the access line.).
Lets not forget industrial roped access work off SRT with a back up. Only they don't use saws.
If I have long branch walks, I'll use another technique involving running DdRT off the access line. This involves choking the TIP again (I'm not worried about emergency descent because I'm tied into the DdRT system. I only have to unclip from the access line.).
Lets not forget industrial roped access work off SRT with a back up. Only they don't use saws.
TC
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Lets not forget industrial roped access work off SRT with a back up. Only they don't use saws.
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No, but they do use drills, angle grinders, soldering irons, paint brushes etc.
Lets not forget industrial roped access work off SRT with a back up. Only they don't use saws.
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No, but they do use drills, angle grinders, soldering irons, paint brushes etc.
Yes. But my point was, the biggest danger of working off SRT is catching your line with a saw as it returns to the ground. The other tools aren't so dangerous in that respect.
Roped acces workers are anchored above, and don't use saws (usually). We can anchor below. This has great advantages in terms of energy absorption, but the drawback of being able to cut the line easily from a moments inattention.
Roped acces workers are anchored above, and don't use saws (usually). We can anchor below. This has great advantages in terms of energy absorption, but the drawback of being able to cut the line easily from a moments inattention.
TreeCo
Carpal tunnel level member
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Yes. But my point was, the biggest danger of working off SRT is catching your line with a saw as it returns to the ground. The other tools aren't so dangerous in that respect.
Roped acces workers are anchored above, and don't use saws (usually). We can anchor below. This has great advantages in terms of energy absorption, but the drawback of being able to cut the line easily from a moments inattention.
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I share your concern about being anchored to the base of the tree or anywhere on the ground. I use such an anchor for acess but remove it for working. I most often use the running bowline anchored around a limb in the canopy for acess.
Yes. But my point was, the biggest danger of working off SRT is catching your line with a saw as it returns to the ground. The other tools aren't so dangerous in that respect.
Roped acces workers are anchored above, and don't use saws (usually). We can anchor below. This has great advantages in terms of energy absorption, but the drawback of being able to cut the line easily from a moments inattention.
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I share your concern about being anchored to the base of the tree or anywhere on the ground. I use such an anchor for acess but remove it for working. I most often use the running bowline anchored around a limb in the canopy for acess.
- Location
- Dallas, Texas
TreeCo, Assuming only one rope, how do you remove that anchor from the base while in the tree?
I anchor with a ladder rack descender. Using the KM-III, only 3 bars are used, locked off with a muenter mule. I wouldn't recommend not using this device for several reasons. There are better alternatives without the drawbacks in the same price range..
But... being able to be belayed from the anchor makes so much AR sense.
I anchor with a ladder rack descender. Using the KM-III, only 3 bars are used, locked off with a muenter mule. I wouldn't recommend not using this device for several reasons. There are better alternatives without the drawbacks in the same price range..
But... being able to be belayed from the anchor makes so much AR sense.
TreeCo
Carpal tunnel level member
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TreeCo, Assuming only one rope, how do you remove that anchor from the base while in the tree?
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I would have someone else untie it. If I was working alone I'd just take up a second rope. I only use srt anchored to the base of a tree if I can't isolate a good limb for a running bowline because I really think it is a technique with many flaws.
BTW, this link, "View the results of this poll" doesn't open for me.
TreeCo, Assuming only one rope, how do you remove that anchor from the base while in the tree?
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I would have someone else untie it. If I was working alone I'd just take up a second rope. I only use srt anchored to the base of a tree if I can't isolate a good limb for a running bowline because I really think it is a technique with many flaws.
BTW, this link, "View the results of this poll" doesn't open for me.
Gerald_Beranek
New member
- Location
- Ft. Bragg, Ca.
Only one choice in each catagory? I've used all the choices in both catagories one time or another. ???
- Location
- sunny Madison, WI
All of the above...
Try to keep plenty of tools in the toolbox!
Try to keep plenty of tools in the toolbox!
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
I've gone to footlocking my doubled rope unless I know I'll be making multiple trips up the tree or the TIP is too high... both are very rare cases for me. I use the running bowline in the too high TIP case and tie to the base otherwise.
I used to not backup my main ascender until Tom D. got onto me about it, now I use a prusik.
I stopped using SRT for access when I learned a system that is simpler and quicker for me using doubled ascenders (backed up w/ prusiks) and footlocking. I just never could get to liking my Pantin... I tried, be we just never bonded.
I used to not backup my main ascender until Tom D. got onto me about it, now I use a prusik.
I stopped using SRT for access when I learned a system that is simpler and quicker for me using doubled ascenders (backed up w/ prusiks) and footlocking. I just never could get to liking my Pantin... I tried, be we just never bonded.
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I've gone to footlocking my doubled rope unless I know I'll be making multiple trips up the tree or the TIP is too high... both are very rare cases for me. I use the running bowline in the too high TIP case and tie to the base otherwise.
I used to not backup my main ascender until Tom D. got onto me about it, now I use a prusik.
I stopped using SRT for access when I learned a system that is simpler and quicker for me using doubled ascenders (backed up w/ prusiks) and footlocking. I just never could get to liking my Pantin... I tried, be we just never bonded.
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Simpler and quicker aren't the only considerations for SRT. You don't need a pantin either. I'm not even sure footlocking on doubled ascenders backed up with prusiks is appreciably quicker - certainly not to set up.
SRT with the Frog allows true bio-mechanical function. Throughtout the day, day to day, week to week, month to month, year to year, over a career, its quicker too.
Setting up a safe efficient SRT rig is quicker that setting up a safe efficient Footlock rig.
The biggest set back I always found, was no suitable harness with low centre clip point for a chest ascender. That is now settled in Europe by the availability of the TreeFlex harness, or in the states, the Petzl navaho variobelt with sidestraps.
Just my observation.
I've gone to footlocking my doubled rope unless I know I'll be making multiple trips up the tree or the TIP is too high... both are very rare cases for me. I use the running bowline in the too high TIP case and tie to the base otherwise.
I used to not backup my main ascender until Tom D. got onto me about it, now I use a prusik.
I stopped using SRT for access when I learned a system that is simpler and quicker for me using doubled ascenders (backed up w/ prusiks) and footlocking. I just never could get to liking my Pantin... I tried, be we just never bonded.
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Simpler and quicker aren't the only considerations for SRT. You don't need a pantin either. I'm not even sure footlocking on doubled ascenders backed up with prusiks is appreciably quicker - certainly not to set up.
SRT with the Frog allows true bio-mechanical function. Throughtout the day, day to day, week to week, month to month, year to year, over a career, its quicker too.
Setting up a safe efficient SRT rig is quicker that setting up a safe efficient Footlock rig.
The biggest set back I always found, was no suitable harness with low centre clip point for a chest ascender. That is now settled in Europe by the availability of the TreeFlex harness, or in the states, the Petzl navaho variobelt with sidestraps.
Just my observation.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
I've read your article on on proprioception and bio-mechanical injury, it makes a lot of sense... unfortunately, I don't always do what's best for me. Case in point, footlocking. I do it because it's both fast AND hard exercise. It's rough on my old body, my left foot hurts where the rope passes and my forearms swell up painfully if I do it a lot for several days running... but I still just like doing it.
My footlock rig is pretty simple, the ascenders are taped together with a single 6mm lace for both prusiks. It stows nicely on my back gear loop. I can put it on the rope in a couple of minutes.
Since I work on a doubled rope, setting and removing an SRT access line is an extra couple of steps. I'm not against it or anything, I'm just trying to develop a system that suits me well. It's a work in progress... always will be I suppose.
When you guys have a really solid SRT system for both work and access figured out, I'll be among the first to try it... but I'm leaving the R&D to you guys for now, I can't afford it. The unicender or something like it seems promising.
My footlock rig is pretty simple, the ascenders are taped together with a single 6mm lace for both prusiks. It stows nicely on my back gear loop. I can put it on the rope in a couple of minutes.
Since I work on a doubled rope, setting and removing an SRT access line is an extra couple of steps. I'm not against it or anything, I'm just trying to develop a system that suits me well. It's a work in progress... always will be I suppose.
When you guys have a really solid SRT system for both work and access figured out, I'll be among the first to try it... but I'm leaving the R&D to you guys for now, I can't afford it. The unicender or something like it seems promising.
I understand where you're coming from Blinky. Its good to know you've got a handle on the proprioception concept.
I have SRT systems that I think work in various situations. I'll be working on spreading that info sometime soon.
Nice avatar - I'm thinking Grizzly Adams and the Chilkat mountains
I have SRT systems that I think work in various situations. I'll be working on spreading that info sometime soon.
Nice avatar - I'm thinking Grizzly Adams and the Chilkat mountains
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