SRT how do you set your's up?

Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

There is no need. There are many ways to SRT. The way I do it is planned for the most ergonomic efficiency. If you feel you have to hold your weight above the ascender pulling the line, then the system isn't as efficient as it could be.

To me, the point of good SRT, is safe ergonomic efficiency.

Dang - the pic is too large to attach in my post. Sorry!
 
Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

Lazarus2,

I will resize your photos for you and either post them or send them back to you to post. The one in question here I can post right in this posting. I need to get you my email address without making it public.
 
Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

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I'm trying to figure out the best way for me to get up a single line. I need diagrams to help me get things straight in my head. Any and all help would be appreciated. What are the components needed and in what order should they be placed in?

Someone please get me set up right...

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Here is some SRT reading for ya Robert:

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...=true#Post93795

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...=true#Post84968

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...=true#Post57009

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...true#Post103684

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=91780&an=0&page=0#91780

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...=true#Post80524

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=79666&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

http://www.srte.com.au/products.htm

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...true#Post105092

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...p;vc=1&nt=2

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...true#Post108830
 
Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

Here's a setup I just made up, I haven't tried it out yet. The black cord is shock cord. I have no idea if the shock cord will be strong enough to advance the lower ascender but I think it will.
 

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Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

I appreciate all of the energies towards helping myself and others to unravel some of the confusion regarding SRT and its application in climbing trees.

Don't stop now, it seems that the surface of the subject has only been scrached every so slightly.

Thanks and keep the interest on high....

I have now exprienced the rope walker system and I'll have to admit it works great. I'm not even sure I have it set up right and it still is easy to climb up a rope.

Its not a question of being right or wrong its just a matter of being one way or the other.

I'll intergrate SRT methods gradutually until I'm given some instruction as to whether or not I'm safe and secure in the systems.

Again Thanks to Mark Chisholm for my inspiration to get hooked up on the BUZZ and with his demonstrations of the rope walking system. He always made it look so simple and you know, Mark, it is simple WOW. I had to slow down the videos I have of you climbing so I could study the nuts and bolts of the operation. You the MAN....

Appreciate Tom Dunlap and Mark Adams for helping to describe and explain the nuts and bolts. Its one thing to see it demonstrated its and all together different issue to break it all down and then find the pieces of the puzzle and put the system into action.

Last but not least is my Thanks to Frans for allowing me to borrow his rope walker set-up and go out in to the forest and figure it out on my own. The school of hard knocks is sometimes my best teacher. Back your self up a rope and then figure it out. Like how to swich over to get down. Got to busy climbing and forgot my lowering means. You get quite creative when hanging out in space.
 
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Actually, I was referring to this vid. Is Frank holding the line above his ascender?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97KC7OhVZrY

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Oh I see. Sorry R&T.

Frank is the comedian with the camera
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The way the ascension (upper part) and Basic (identical to upper part of ascension) are designed, is to fit either the left or right palm of the hand. So, in the vid, my left hand is on the handle and my right hand cups the upper part.

I find this very comfy, but maybe thats because I have big paws. So, the rope isn't being held, but it is encircled by my hand.

This is a good thing, as I can sense any twigs and leaves, and the hand blocks them from entering the cam.

Thats quite an imporatnt point - thanks for bringing it up!

NB If shorter climbers with higher harness anchor points suffer ascender clash, swap out the ascension for a basic (both Petzl).
 
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I'll send you a PM TreeCo. Many thanks!

TLHamel posted his set up at the end of the Frogwalker vid thread also, for a version of a simple, effective Frog set up.
 
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... Got to busy climbing and forgot my lowering means. You get quite creative when hanging out in space.

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Done that myself, but I wasn't alone. I expect you can feel quite lonely dangling on a thread out in space, not sure how to get down!
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As mentioned in the Frogwalker thread, before lift off, go through A-D:

Anchor - Proof load it, double check it, especially looking out for any re-direct over weak branches that could cause you to ground strike.

Belay - The rope is tied off securely, with a mind to retrieval/rescue.

Connectors - Are the cams and Karabiners closed properly? Are the top holes clipped?

Descent - Ensure you have the means to descend. I use my descender as a rope weight, so I can't really forget it.

As I sit on the rope ready for lift off, I just run through that mental check - look up at the anchor, across at the belay, up at my connectors, down at my descender and launch.

It is possible to descend on the cams. First unclip the Pantin from the rope. Stand in the footloop and finger the top the Croll cam as you lower yourself down. Then allow the cam to bite, sit in the Croll as you finger the ascension cam down. Repeat. This is great for descending short distances.

DO NOT thumb the cam on the side releae catch - it could inadvertantly open!

To change over to descent:

1. Sit in the Croll and push up the ascension to arms length.

2. Attach descender to rope below Croll. An ID doesn't have to be unclipped from the harness so it won't be dropped. On a TreeFlex, this is best attached to the sliding bridge for convenience.

3. Adjust slack through the descender until it sits just below the croll.

4. Stand in the footloop, pulling on the ascension with the left hand. As weight comes off the croll, release the croll's cam from the rope.

5. While standing in the footloop, take remaining slack through descender by pulling with right hand (Petzl stop, ID, Grigri, The Eddy types ar most convenient here).

6. Sit back on the descender.

7. Unclip the cam on the handled ascender and let it float down the line.

Points 4,5,6 are all done together with proficiency.

The important points are:

1. There is minimal slack in the system.

2. There are two points of attachment to the rope at all times (descender goes on before ascender comes off).

Got to get some work done now!
 
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I have no idea if the shock cord will be strong enough to advance the lower ascender

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With a little tweaking you'll get the shock cord length right.

One change to consider would be to clip through the top holes of the upper ascender and then fun that tether back to your harness. Instead of having the upper tether attached to the lower hole in the ascender. This adds another bit of safety to your system.
 
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Lots of good information, guys. Thanks for taking the time to share. I have a lot more confidence, even though out of the corner of my eye, I can still see my wife giggling.
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Also there are voluminous amounts of printed information here and though there are some very nice pictorials, we could always use more pretty pictures. I like pretty pictures.
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Dave
 
Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

Heres my attempt today. pics of the monster to come.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5zQrji4NCc

The only problem I have is the prussic at my waistline is catching. I have a 6 coil with a pulley and its attached directly to my ring on my bridge. It starts out nice but quickly begins to drag a little. I also needed to attach 4 10 ounce throw bags to the bottom of the standing single line to keep it from lifting when i ascended.

a bit faster then I can foot lock with about 1/4 the energy spent.
I am a believer.
 
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i didnt have a camera man...only some legos, tape, rubber bands, a ziplock baggie and ofcoarse a camera. The baggie deflated slowly from underneath and the camera was on a pivot point so it tilted as i climbed. Thank god I have work tommorrow.
 
Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

Ha! Johnny Cash Walk The Line - very clever. You even landed as the song ended
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Can't really see your set up or how you secured the DdRT to the SRT though?

I hate to sound critical, but a lot of upper body effort was required, which to me defeats the point of adopting SRT. If you try a Frog Walker, you should notice the ergonomic benefits immediately. Its just an educational point.

Its a step in the right direction for sure, keep it up, please.

Take care
Laz
 
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Finally finished up all of the links you provided, Mahk. Certainly plenty of pictures there with lots of good information. Thanks.

This has been a very helpful thread and with some slight equipment changes, I have been quite successful. I feel that the SRT frogwalker system is something to get excited about.

I can certainly see why people, such as Laz and others, are so passionate about this method of ascent. An obvious improvement over the old ways, and the easiest method I have used to rope access a tree.

Dave
 
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I hate to sound critical, but a lot of upper body effort was required, which to me defeats the point of adopting SRT. If you try a Frog Walker, you should notice the ergonomic benefits immediately. Its just an educational point.

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I think what you're seeing is the difference between using a Croll attached to the waist and a hitch attached to the bridge (as the lower ascender), the latter causes the climber to depend on their arms more to stay upright. Once the tree frog system is configured correctly you'll notice the climber remaining more upright, climbing with less side-to-side motion, and moving fast yet relaxed. Even so... climbing with the hitch on the bridge instead of the Croll is still better than jugging.
-moss
 
Re: SRT how do you set your\'s up?

Moss, You nailed it! I have come to the conclusion that without that higher attatchment point, I am better off foorlocking for now. It is still neat to play with. I geuss I am shopping for the propper saddle that can accomodate the croll. Thanx for the input
 
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