Srt descent issue Michoacan

moss said:
Until you start climbing on a multicender it's tough to get your head around the changes you'll make in your climbing style. Climbing on a basal anchor you can lanyard in and set a mechanical redirect (sling and a carabiner) to advance. Only one lanyard required. Climbing SRT is a different kind of strategic approach than DRT, every tree, every situation and goal of the climb effects how you anchor your main rope, how you advance and when you implement different redirect types (mechanical vs. natural crotch).
-AJ
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Moss, how do you set a sling and carabiner to advance above you as a sole point of temporary support without it being girth hitched? I'm sure I'm missing something simple in technique here. I've always thought girthing a sling for life support was a no no. I've been wrong before....with regularity!
 
With your questions about hitches and hitch cord and SRT climbing styles, I'd recommend checking out the stationary rope technique forum on here. There's lots of good stuff in there.

As for adding some friction for descent, here's a pic. With my money, I'd skip the HC pulley and get a rope wrench.

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Aragorn said:
Moss, how do you set a sling and carabiner to advance above you as a sole point of temporary support without it being girth hitched? I'm sure I'm missing something simple in technique here. I've always thought girthing a sling for life support was a no no. I've been wrong before....with regularity!
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Girthing a sling for a SRS redirect is a standard/widely used technique, you can also set a sling as a "basket" configuration. You are not in danger of shock loading the girthed sling while you're advancing, you're essentially setting an arm's length redirect anchor so you can advance your lanyard, or advancing the tail of the main rope if you're setting a natural redirect.
-AJ
 
Interesting setup, and one I've never seen before. I guess the problem with that as to my original reason for this post is that it doesn't look like it could be setup during ascent as the climbing rope would need to be unloaded to install. I can install the Munter below my hitch to get down with it loaded, if I forgot a piece of equipment, got attacked by bees etc. I do realize the RW would cure this issue too.
Would an HC pulley still be useful with a RW, as an attachment point for a Haas or neck lanyard while also cleaning up my Ddrt setup?
I'll visit the Srt forum too. I'm sure I've been there before though with less ability to comprehend what I may have been reading at the time. Thanks for the great picture.
 
moss said:
Girthing a sling for a SRS redirect is a standard/widely used technique, you can also set a sling as a "basket" configuration. You are not in danger of shock loading the girthed sling while you're advancing, you're essentially setting an arm's length redirect anchor so you can advance your lanyard, or advancing the tail of the main rope if you're setting a natural redirect.
-AJ
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Yeah, I know a basket's fine. In the use you describe "arms length" so I guess more of a lanyard while the lanyard becomes the climbing line. How do you retrieve the sling/crab to reuse it as you go? Or do you?
Is your Srt climbing rope eye spliced on each end? Curious.
 
Aragorn said:
Interesting setup, and one I've never seen before. I guess the problem with that as to my original reason for this post is that it doesn't look like it could be setup during ascent as the climbing rope would need to be unloaded to install. I can install the Munter below my hitch to get down with it loaded, if I forgot a piece of equipment, got attacked by bees etc. I do realize the RW would cure this issue too.
Would an HC pulley still be useful with a RW, as an attachment point for a Haas or neck lanyard while also cleaning up my Ddrt setup?
I'll visit the Srt forum too. I'm sure I've been there before though with less ability to comprehend what I may have been reading at the time. Thanks for the great picture.
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If unloading is a concern, just swap the F8/biner with a prussic. You just need to add more friction so your hitch doesn't lock up. When you reach the top of your ascent, don't load your hitch hard before adding in your extra friction.
 
Aragorn said:
Yeah, I know a basket's fine. In the use you describe "arms length" so I guess more of a lanyard while the lanyard becomes the climbing line. How do you retrieve the sling/crab to reuse it as you go? Or do you?
Is your Srt climbing rope eye spliced on each end? Curious.
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Once you set your lanyard you can unload the main rope and remove the mechanical redirect.

Depending on the tree’s crown structure and the goal of the climb i’ll leave redirects in (or not) and then take them out on my return if they’re left in.

I don’t use spliced eyes on my SRT line unless I already happen to have one there. I’ve never used a spliced eye on both ends of my climbing line.
-AJ
 
moss said:
Once you set your lanyard you can unload the main rope and remove the mechanical redirect.

Depending on the tree’s crown structure and the goal of the climb i’ll leave redirects in (or not) and then take them out on my return if they’re left in.

I don’t use spliced eyes on my SRT line unless I already happen to have one there. I’ve never used a spliced eye on both ends of my climbing line.
-AJ
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I think I get it. Once you pass the high point of your entry system , you're pulling slack through the hitch to place in the redirect while on lanyard progressing to another etc.. Thanks
 
Aragorn said:
Interesting setup, and one I've never seen before. I guess the problem with that as to my original reason for this post is that it doesn't look like it could be setup during ascent as the climbing rope would need to be unloaded to install. I can install the Munter below my hitch to get down with it loaded, if I forgot a piece of equipment, got attacked by bees etc. I do realize the RW would cure this issue too.
Would an HC pulley still be useful with a RW, as an attachment point for a Haas or neck lanyard while also cleaning up my Ddrt setup?
I'll visit the Srt forum too. I'm sure I've been there before though with less ability to comprehend what I may have been reading at the time. Thanks for the great picture.
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The picture you are referring to is showing what Kevin Bingham was climbing on in the older video. You can install it above your hitch before the climb, and it will be ready when your ready to descend. There's no need to install it while your climb line is loaded.
With the amount of slack in the sling, you would want to push the carabiner and figure 8 taught before you begin your descent. Much like climbers would use the ropewrench ZK1 with the soft tether.
 
Somebody has been posting in the homemade wrench thread recently spend the 20 bucks to realize how great srt is! Then get some real srt gear
 
Jehinten said:
The picture you are referring to is showing what Kevin Bingham was climbing on in the older video. You can install it above your hitch before the climb, and it will be ready when your ready to descend. There's no need to install it while your climb line is loaded.
With the amount of slack in the sling, you would want to push the carabiner and figure 8 taught before you begin your descent. Much like climbers would use the ropewrench ZK1 with the soft tether.
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Wouldn't it exert as much resistance going up as coming down, fighting the ascent? In the video it looked like Kevin was gaffing up an inclined tree and slack tending as he went. I'll give it a run and find out.
I learned during practice, as you mention, to loosen the hitch set a bit, before descending. They really want to bite that single rope.
 
WaitakKauri said:
If unloading is a concern, just swap the F8/biner with a prussic. You just need to add more friction so your hitch doesn't lock up. When you reach the top of your ascent, don't load your hitch hard before adding in your extra friction.
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Prussik; that's a simple and effective idea. I do carry a couple and a sling at all times for self rescue. I have experienced why you say don't load the hitch hard before adding extra friction.
 
I just thought of a question about this tethered 8 setup. Is the biner held in hand and manipulated to alter the tension on the rope passing through it? Would you advance it by hand as you climb if installed pre ascent? This occurred to me because of your comment about it being the origin of the Rope Walker.
 
TimBr said:
The OTSHUT. (Over The Shoulder Holder Upper Thingy).

Swingdude's Chestie is nice, too.
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Or LOTS, lanyard over the shoulder.

For a chest harness you can cheaply get started with a bike tube in a figure 8 with a cheap biner at the front. I would recommend a proper chest harness as you can.
 
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