Sprouts

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The subject of prouts have come up (joke) lately and I just ran across this pic. The srt rope is around a 10-year old sprout. Branch was stubbed back to a node after ice damage.
It didn't occur to me while riding up that I was hanging my assets on an epicormic!
 

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That tree looks kinda sketchy, imo!

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Yes, I got the same feeling when I saw the saprot on the upper side of the limb. Beeches get sunscald so easily after storm damage. But it stood up to the bounce test, so no big worries.

Sketchy trees can be managed, that's what arborists are for, right? This work would be truly boring, and this profession would lack credibility, if we called for Basil Kutz to manage sketchy trees. A300 53.3.9.2 “The arborist shall note the trees’ function in the ecosystem, the incentives for conservation, and mitigation potential for the site.”

So are those sprouts, or watersprouts? And how about that "weakly attached" myth?
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Guy, your considerable knowledge & experience permits a greater latitude of risk tolerance than I am comfortable with! With regard to A300 53.3.9.2, does one include a weasel clause in the contract, absolving the arborist from any responsibility if/when the sketchy tree fails?
 
"... experience permits a greater latitude of risk tolerance than I am comfortable with!"

pfft i am old so what. we both have the same access to the same knowledge, which comes from the tree, but we have been hoodwinked by risk-averse presentations and writings and standards from entities with low tolerance. Consider the sources. Time to get over that negative programming and get comfortable with arboriculture.

"With regard to A300 53.3.9.2, does one include a weasel clause in the contract, absolving the arborist from any responsibility if/when the sketchy tree fails?"

We are exposed to liability every time we step outside.

Weaseling no, reasonable disclaimers yes.

Now, what about those watersprouts that you were talking about?

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"Now what about those watersprouts....?"

I dunno, Guy. Retrenchment of geriatric trees is your predilection, not mine. I reckon those sprouts are "generally" undesirable unless extending a tree's lifespan depends on promoting their formation.
 
Guy, in the A300 excerpt, what does "mitigation potential of the site" mean, the ability to have potential targets removed?
In my limited experience with the term "watersprouts", orchardists used the term for small-diameter vertical sprouts. I don't find it a useful term.
 
Well thanks tom; maybe it's because i'm old enough to collect SS that these geriatric comments get me close to oph pysst...watersprouts have strong vertical habit and no collar/buttress; Very different than the sprout that my lifeline was on.

sprouts form when the tree needs them; how is that undesirable in any tree? *water* sprouts is like 'geriatric'; a bias based on a myth at best..if a tree is busted up by ice, it's all of a sudden 'geriatric'?

Maintaining tree value is my predilection because it's what tree owners want. nothing exceptional.

selective removal, sure...if the guy with the tool knows how to select...moving on...

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"Now what about those watersprouts....?"

I dunno, Guy. Retrenchment of geriatric trees is your predilection, not mine. I reckon those sprouts are "generally" undesirable unless extending a tree's lifespan depends on promoting their formation.

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Removing sketchy trees is my predilection because it's what tree owners want. Nothing exceptional there either.

"Sprouts form when the tree needs them; how is that undesirable in any tree?"

??? You wanna climb up 45' to pick apples?
 
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"Sprouts form when the tree needs them; how is that undesirable in any tree?"

??? You wanna climb up 45' to pick apples?

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well no; that's the difference between waterspouts (strongly vertical, ruin form, work against the objective) and sprouts. but you're right; I did kind of overstate things there...my bad.

I hope you'll agree that the sprout that the wraptor is hanging on was desirable, though.
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That Wraptor sprout is very nice!
And I will quit referring to sprouts as watersprouts, (unless they happen to be watersprouts).
 
Thanks Kevin,

The A300 excerpt was 53...so it was from Paret 5, Construction, but it seemed relevant. "mitigation potential of the site" probably refers to managing the site to keep trees alive.

As watersprouts in the landscape occur mostly on Rosacea like fruit trees, crabapples plums etc, maybe that's where the term should stay. In the current pruning standard, watersprouts and epicormic shoots are called synonymous with 'sprouts'.

That should change, as it tends to send the wrong message, that no sprout can be trusted. Which is one more reason why it's
important to read and comment on these standards to your A300 rep--Keith Cline in your case.

Thanks Dave, glad you like that trustworthy sprout!

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Thanks Guy, yes, Keith Cline is my rep...and I've participated in some previous ANSI discussions/work meetings as his stand-in. But yes indeed, all concerned should voice to their A300 contact their concerns!
 
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