Show off them splices

ARLO said:
Success. Not quite as tight as I wanted it but best Christmas present I got all day!

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Brocky said:
When doing the Vega splice, do you bury the core and cover on the same side, or one on each side of the core? The instructions visibly get confusing from step 7 onward.
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ARLO said:
First I bury the core and then I bury the cover right on top of the core, both on the same side. But I am not sure if it matters. They could definitely do a better job with their instructions.
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I cannot comment on how this splice works as i have not tried it yet but here's the link to this directions, hopefully they can clarify the vague area within Marlow's.

Question - so parallel core ropes.. kernmantle's.. etc. Why is it i hear that they are not spliceable one minute & then see them being spliced elsewhere with directions the next minute..

For example - 16 strand arb.. ive seen it referenced as paralell core kernmantle, yet it's tit to splice.. Sta-Set X, paralell core.. totally spliceable..

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KMIII... Ive never seen anyone try & it's labeled "not spliceable" from factory. Yet I'd wager ive probably seen instructions for splicing a cordage of it's same construction. I could go on & on with examples on this side of the coin but i won't..

Other than, certain brands' constructions making it physically too hard to splice, what makes something un-splicable..
 
Jimmycrackcorn said:
I cannot comment on how this splice works as i have not tried it yet but here's the link to this directions, hopefully they can clarify the vague area within Marlow's.

Question - so parallel core ropes.. kernmantle's.. etc. Why is it i hear that they are not spliceable one minute & then see them being spliced elsewhere with directions the next minute..

For example - 16 strand arb.. ive seen it referenced as paralell core kernmantle, yet it's tit to splice.. Sta-Set X, paralell core.. totally spliceable..

VS.

KMIII... Ive never seen anyone try & it's labeled "not spliceable" from factory. Yet I'd wager ive probably seen instructions for splicing a cordage of it's same construction. I could go on & on with examples on this side of the coin but i won't..

Other than, certain brands' constructions making it physically too hard to splice, what makes something un-splicable..
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16-strand is not really a kernmantle because most of the strength (about 75%) is in the cover and the core strands are primarily there to keep the rope from flattening. I was also under the impression that kernmantles could not be spliced until I saw one of Brocky's posts which led me to the Marlow website which has instructions for ropes like Vega. I am still not sure that I trust these splices 100% but the folks at Marlow claim they are really strong. We need to have Richard do some break tests. The problem is, after spending several hours getting one done, I haven't yet been able to bring myself to destroy one on purpose. But I have been climbing on one for a couple of months now, and so far it has not moved.
 
Arlo, are going through the core with your fid when you do the core bury? It seems it would if you are inserting it on the same side as the core exits the cover. Marlow has shown it both ways, but I’ve always buried the core on the opposite side of where the core exits.
 
Brocky said:
Arlo, are going through the core with your fid when you do the core bury? It seems it would if you are inserting it on the same side as the core exits the cover. Marlow has shown it both ways, but I’ve always buried the core on the opposite side of where the core exits.
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Not sure I am following what you mean by "going through the core"? What I have been doing is running the fid inside the cover, being careful not to snag the core strands. Then I pull the tapered core back through the cover, using a ton of massaging to get it through. Guess I need a picture.
 
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Hope this helps explain it. Do you insert the fid on the left or right side of the core? The Vega instructions seem to show the fid entering on the right side, and it would have to go through the core at the throat to get to the exit point. If the fid enters from the left, it results in the core and cover being buried on opposite sides.
 
Brocky said:
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Hope this helps explain it. Do you insert the fid on the left or right side of the core? The Vega instructions seem to show the fid entering on the right side, and it would have to go through the core at the throat to get to the exit point. If the fid enters from the left, it results in the core and cover being buried on opposite sides.
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Ok, I see what you are getting at. I am taking them both in on the same side of the core.
 
So, you insert on the right which requires the fid to go through or around the core exiting the cover. I wonder if that makes it more difficult to do the core bury.
A earlier set of Megabraid instructions didn’t have you empty the eye and refill it, but had you extract the core at the first mark. The core gets buried, and instead of burying the cover on top of the core, it was buried diagonally through the rope to exit on the other side.
 
jimbo666 said:
View media item 929Did a little strap for the Ropejack. A little bit more than 1/2 fid bury on mobius brummels, considering that a single person can generate somewhere between 300-80O pounds of force while using the Rope Jack, we'll be ok! Pulley is for size reference !
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Jehinten said:
Just curious, how will you use that strap with your ropejack?
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I realize that may sound a little like a dumb question, just curious if I'm missing a good trick or something. I tend to tie a running bowline around my anchor tree with the pull rope, then an alpine butterfly and clip the ropejack in with a carabiner where its comfortable to operate. This uses one rope to anchor the puller and to pull the load, which cuts down on gear that gets pulled out of the truck, and forgotten to load back up.
 
Jehinten said:
I realize that may sound a little like a dumb question, just curious if I'm missing a good trick or something. I tend to tie a running bowline around my anchor tree with the pull rope, then an alpine butterfly and clip the ropejack in with a carabiner where its comfortable to operate. This uses one rope to anchor the puller and to pull the load, which cuts down on gear that gets pulled out of the truck, and forgotten to load back up.
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We usually attach the rope jack directly on the top of the port-a-wrap, my groundman is 6'6 the tether is giving a little bit of space for the handle to work and it perform at the perfect height. I used a short loop runner but i had this short piece of tenex laying around...haha you know holidays...
 
Brocky said:
So, you insert on the right which requires the fid to go through or around the core exiting the cover. I wonder if that makes it more difficult to do the core bury.
A earlier set of Megabraid instructions didn’t have you empty the eye and refill it, but had you extract the core at the first mark. The core gets buried, and instead of burying the cover on top of the core, it was buried diagonally through the rope to exit on the other side.
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I did two more of the Vega splices this weekend and think I am getting the hang of it. But they are damn difficult. It doesn't seem to matter if you pull the cover through on the front or side of the core, but one thing I have found is that it is a mistake to pull the tapered core way deep into the throat before you pull the cover through. If you pull the taper in too deep it is just about impossible to get your fid through to the throat so you can pull the cover through. You also need to get the tapered core and cover strands evened out so that there is no bunching as you bury them. That means alternately milking and pulling on the core and cover strands while carefully managing slack as you do so. And even if you do it correctly it still takes a ton of patience. Also, it helps to have a 24" wire fid to do the bury on the core, as 18" is just barely long enough. Don't waste money on one of the fancy Marlow needles. I got one and bent the damn thing on the first try and quickly went back to my old faithful wire fid.

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