Sherrill says the VT is unsafe to climb on?

Sounds like they are saying the valdotain is unsafe, rather than the VT. Isn't the T or "Tress" part from the actual weaving of the legs rather than the straight seven wraps up? I tie mine four wraps up then the weaving, but regardless I still find the knot highly unpredictable. I come back to the VT regularly but still run a Knut as my go-to hitch.
I may also be alone in finding the Machaocan unreliable?
 
Whatever. I also used a 'Suicide' tautline for years (1 wrap over 2). Sherril's just covering their azz for lack of empirical data or legal precedent.

-Tom
 
Unsafe for new climbers, yes. It's the climber creating and managing the hitch that's the problem...

I bet they are protecting themselves from all of the herniating cords. Because I see the herniated cords happening from V.T.'s

If you were a large company selling spliced hitch cords it may be safest to blame it on the hitch and not the cord.

My theory. I don't know if it has any validation.
 
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Sounds like they are saying the valdetain is unsafe, rather than the VT.

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It clearly states that the Valdetain is the hitch that they are talking about, not the VT.


I use a Valdetain (6 or 7 wraps up) with ice tail (hollow), or the outer cover of bluestreak or something similar. It works awesome, and I wouldn't have a problem putting an amateur on it.


So much of the characteristics of a certain hitch depends on rope diameter, hitch cord, wraps, etc..... it's hard to make blanket statements about a particular hitch. (I guess I could say that the "Suislide" tautline is something we all should leave in the rear view mirror).


SZ
 
I don't get it now. I'm chasing a different rabbit on this one...
In the link Chris provided, they call it the "Valdeltain".
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They spelt it wrong (I think) and they have the illustration for the Valdotain Tresse , when they have the web site reading "Know your Knots>Valdetain". Isn't this a Valdotain?

So, they have a V.T. in the illustration, but the name of the knot is not correct. They are simply calling it a Valdetain.
 
I like to climb on a short 4 wrap Valdotain. One of the two legs is in a ropeman so I can adjust it while climbing. I can imagine that when the legs are to long, the Valdotain is less safe than a Prussic.

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I like to climb on a short 4 wrap Valdotain. One of the two legs is in a ropeman so I can adjust it while climbing. I can imagine that when the legs are to long, the Valdotain is less safe than a Prussic.

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I climb on a long 4 wrap 3 braided VT on a length of spliced Ocean Polyester cord (hand spliced, not Grizzly) connected to my HitchClimber pulley. The longer cord works much better with the HC, but you do have to tend your hitch closely.

To me, its no big deal, just something to keep in mind. The picture from the Sherrill site looks like a VT to me.
 
That short 4 wrap looks wild might be worth a try, see what it thinks of a heavy climber. Like Chris said the VT needs tending cause it gets so loose when advanced. It appears you'd have a free fall without at least tapping it. I've wondered how real this fear is. Has any testing been done, has anyone had an injury because it never grabbed without tending? I'm sure it's possible but I would think it would find a reason to grab within a body length or so.
 
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I like to climb on a short 4 wrap Valdotain. One of the two legs is in a ropeman so I can adjust it while climbing. I can imagine that when the legs are to long, the Valdotain is less safe than a Prussic.

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Treespotter,
I have to try that set up you have with the ropeman ascender.
I haven't seen it used that way.
That would be a great way to find the prefect length for a hitch cord.
Does the hitch cord stay put in the ropeman when advanced by the pulley?
 
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Isn't this a Valdotain?


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That's a pretty funky hitch, I can see the similarities to the straight Valdotain (no tress) but maybe just adapted to having 1 leg.
I looks more like a klemheist the way it's tied?
 
That's why I said VT in the title of this thread, because that is what they said was unsafe. I do not agree.

They specifically said "Valdeltain", but they show a "Valdotain Tresse" (V.T.) in their illustration.
 
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The picture from the Sherrill site looks like a VT to me.

[/ QUOTE ]Isn't the left one 'just wraps', the middle one a Valdotain and the right one a VT (Valdotain Tresse)?


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That short 4 wrap looks wild might be worth a try, see what it thinks of a heavy climber.

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Treespotter,
I have to try that set up you have with the ropeman ascender.
I haven't seen it used that way.
That would be a great way to find the prefect length for a hitch cord.
Does the hitch cord stay put in the ropeman when advanced by the pulley?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes it does.
With the short 'V' I don't have to dress the hitch after 'climbing up'. But sometimes a longer hitch is easier for getting up (less friction) and that's where the Ropeman comes in handy.
 
Gee, is there an argeement thus far as to whether the knot is safe? It seems kind of important.

A lot of people I know, including myself climb on a modified version...
 
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