jim454
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- The land of Utopia
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Selecting a TIP?
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jim454
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- The land of Utopia
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2 ways to look at it. 1 ol' timers pickin at a man, that may or may not be short, to get a prescibed response, if u can't make ur own judgement on whether or not a tree is dead, don't get ur feet off the ground, please. 2 dude cuts, trims or just pisses on the tree last week but a few things that went right, just didn't quite 'click' right,and they bothered him. everything went as planned but something told him "hey einstein, u just made a mistake that u didn't have to pay for this time". he just cant put his finger on any one thing because come to find out it wasn't 1 thing it was 3 different crazy variables beyond his control that no 1 man less G.F.B could ever see much less start to solve. that man asked a question that meant enough to him to type it out, so if u don't feel it worth ur time then forget it but at least give the man his say and an answer if ur so minded without patronizing him. if he's blowin smoke he'll go find a treehouse anyway, right?
- Location
- nj
that is a very responsiable statement. 100 percent right never done learning and there is no shame in asking for help awesome man keep up that attitude. keep it safe
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
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Sorry Jim, I buried that viper tongued attitude when I left that place. Its fine to poke fun at our buddies, and even some of the newbies, as long as we make sure they know we're doing it!
BUT some people just don't get it. Do I regret saying what I did, NO! Its all water under the bridge, not ALL people can learn.
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Well crap! Does this mean I can't be grumpy anymore?
Sorry Jim, I buried that viper tongued attitude when I left that place. Its fine to poke fun at our buddies, and even some of the newbies, as long as we make sure they know we're doing it!
BUT some people just don't get it. Do I regret saying what I did, NO! Its all water under the bridge, not ALL people can learn.
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Well crap! Does this mean I can't be grumpy anymore?
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- Canada
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jim454
Participating member
- Location
- The land of Utopia
Blinky, I think grumpy is ok as long as it's followed up by some humor.
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
Doing a CSI...Climb Scene Investigation...starts when the estimator/crew leader drives up to the jobsite. There are sooo many things that go into choosing a final TIP.
Look at the surroundings
Grade change
Species...is the tree native or from another zone?
Health of the tree
Structure
Age
Being familar with VTA...Visual Tree Analysis...will go a long way to understanding the tree.
What did the homeowner mean by 'kinda sickly'? Drawing out the backstory may give you answers...and likely, more questions.
Compare twig elongation on this tree to other trees of the same species in adjoining yards.
Compare twig elongation on this tree to other trees of the same species around your work area.
Are they the same/different...how much difference?
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Part of the experience of participating in any discussion forum is filtering out the static or noise. In Internet-speak it's ssometimes referred to as 'static to noise' ratio. Over the past few years I've had many people talk with me at workshops/conferences about how they feel about the discussion style at TB. There are two general responses...
Too technical or safety oriented
Good static:noise ratio
Both of those are compliments to the participants. Every once in a while the Mods, mostly me, have to become the Parent and send people IMs/emails asking them to shape up. Next, stronger warnings and letting them know that the next step will be a week, at least, time out. Depending on circumstances, a time out is enough to either get them to change their tone or they drift away knowing that their behavior is NOT welcome at TreeBuzz.
In the seven plus years of TB's life only two people have been blocked/banned permanently. In both cases they were given many warnings which were ignored. There have probably only been less than ten people who have ever had timeouts. None of the parenting has been because of any jabbing or banter between members.
For a while I would read three hobby woodworking forums. Each had a different feeling of course. After a while I settled on one because I liked the feeling with a balance between on and off topic discussion and the banter between members. Everyone has had similar experiences I'm sure.
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What was the question? Winter time...can't see Rougish Fungiis?
Look at the surroundings
Grade change
Species...is the tree native or from another zone?
Health of the tree
Structure
Age
Being familar with VTA...Visual Tree Analysis...will go a long way to understanding the tree.
What did the homeowner mean by 'kinda sickly'? Drawing out the backstory may give you answers...and likely, more questions.
Compare twig elongation on this tree to other trees of the same species in adjoining yards.
Compare twig elongation on this tree to other trees of the same species around your work area.
Are they the same/different...how much difference?
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Part of the experience of participating in any discussion forum is filtering out the static or noise. In Internet-speak it's ssometimes referred to as 'static to noise' ratio. Over the past few years I've had many people talk with me at workshops/conferences about how they feel about the discussion style at TB. There are two general responses...
Too technical or safety oriented
Good static:noise ratio
Both of those are compliments to the participants. Every once in a while the Mods, mostly me, have to become the Parent and send people IMs/emails asking them to shape up. Next, stronger warnings and letting them know that the next step will be a week, at least, time out. Depending on circumstances, a time out is enough to either get them to change their tone or they drift away knowing that their behavior is NOT welcome at TreeBuzz.
In the seven plus years of TB's life only two people have been blocked/banned permanently. In both cases they were given many warnings which were ignored. There have probably only been less than ten people who have ever had timeouts. None of the parenting has been because of any jabbing or banter between members.
For a while I would read three hobby woodworking forums. Each had a different feeling of course. After a while I settled on one because I liked the feeling with a balance between on and off topic discussion and the banter between members. Everyone has had similar experiences I'm sure.
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What was the question? Winter time...can't see Rougish Fungiis?
- Location
- Longmont, CO
T.I.P.'s are incredibly strong on their vertical axis. However, when we start to deviate more and more out on lateral branches we begin to put stress on that T.I.P. I pretty much ask myself if that T.I.P. could truly hold my weight if I had 100% of my weight on it. After all, I know I'm going to typically work a whole tree from 1 T.I.P. and it needs to hold me 100% of the time.
I think this principle has had me lower my T.I.P. often...
I think this principle has had me lower my T.I.P. often...
jim454
Participating member
- Location
- The land of Utopia
Brent, sorry for the jabbin'
- Location
- nj
the olmighty TIP i find usually the higher the better depending on location of tree.(takedown) if you have to walk out on limbs to balance or make butt heavy. if you are able to stay on stick and just bring everything tip heavy no biggy.if you dont have a stable natural crotch high enough you can always run your line through two they will suck together alot more strength. as im sure all the vet tree addicts out here already know. i hope this was of some help to someone out here.once again this site is awesome i wish it was around when i was green. i would have been asking so many questions i would have wore out my keyboard.
i would again like to thank everybody who has commented on me switching climbing systems im excited but alittle nervous but damm i cant wait. the treemotion saddle is in high demand.
education is a very powerful thing.especialy from all the experience that is out here. have fun and always keep it safe
i would again like to thank everybody who has commented on me switching climbing systems im excited but alittle nervous but damm i cant wait. the treemotion saddle is in high demand.
education is a very powerful thing.especialy from all the experience that is out here. have fun and always keep it safe
treehumper
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Ridgefield, NJ
FT, no need to parse the punchline. I think in light of your "confession" we'll need to mete out appropriate disciplinary action (don't get too excited).
However, your remorse is noted and to that.....
However, your remorse is noted and to that.....
- Location
- Dallas, Texas
Is there an adjacent, perceptively healthier tree adjacent for a primary or redundant TIP?
I got reminded in a class a couple of days ago to inspect all the way up, not just where the rope goes. Good to hang around and ask quesions of other arbos. The last thing I need to be thinking on the way down was, "Yeah, I knew that."
I got reminded in a class a couple of days ago to inspect all the way up, not just where the rope goes. Good to hang around and ask quesions of other arbos. The last thing I need to be thinking on the way down was, "Yeah, I knew that."
- Location
- south carolina
does anyone back up TIP's with secondary TIP,kind of like secondary anchors in rock climbing? there would be all sorts of ways to do this. i'm now in the process of experimenting with ways to do this and still make it removable from the ground with throwline. it alway makes work easier if you can tie in higher. all of this becomes suspect when the tree reaches a certain stage of rottenness of course.
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does anyone back up TIP's with secondary TIP,kind of like secondary anchors in rock climbing? there would be all sorts of ways to do this. i'm now in the process of experimenting with ways to do this and still make it removable from the ground with throwline. it alway makes work easier if you can tie in higher. all of this becomes suspect when the tree reaches a certain stage of rottenness of course.
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Kinda, pruned a tall white birch that needed some of the top reduced. This thing was a bean pole, and leaning heavy out towards the back yard. I installed a guy line to support the tree while i pruned. Worked great.
does anyone back up TIP's with secondary TIP,kind of like secondary anchors in rock climbing? there would be all sorts of ways to do this. i'm now in the process of experimenting with ways to do this and still make it removable from the ground with throwline. it alway makes work easier if you can tie in higher. all of this becomes suspect when the tree reaches a certain stage of rottenness of course.
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Kinda, pruned a tall white birch that needed some of the top reduced. This thing was a bean pole, and leaning heavy out towards the back yard. I installed a guy line to support the tree while i pruned. Worked great.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
I typically double crotch if my primary TIP bothers me.
