Selecting a TIP?

davej

davej

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So it's Winter and the leaves are gone and the fungi are not so visible. The owner says the tree is "kinda sickly." How do you select a TIP? It isn't a removal.
 
Look with your own eyes. Does it look sickly or not? I would not rely on a homeowners opinion when it comes to finding a TIP at all. GO BIG IF IT LOOKS SICKLY. Then maybe double lanyard to a higher point if it is sound enough. Use your best judgement. Also I would not look for leaves or buds because sometimes mostly dead trees leaf out.

Derrick Hulsey
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So it's Winter and the leaves are gone and the fungi are not so visible. The owner says the tree is "kinda sickly." How do you select a TIP? It isn't a removal.

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How long have you been climbing?
 
If in doubt, start lower and use larger diameter limbs/trunk for initial TIP. Then inspect as you make your way up. Buds may indicate a live (or recently living) limb, but not necessarily a structurally sound limb. It doesn't take much active sapwood to keep buds/leaves viable.
 
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So it's Winter and the leaves are gone and the fungi are not so visible. The owner says the tree is "kinda sickly." How do you select a TIP? It isn't a removal.

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How long have you been climbing?

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Id tie into the same place I would during the summer.

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Damn guys he only asked a question. No reason to respond in such an aggresive manner.

TL said it right. Always inspect regardless of weather but it always varies amoungst species. I'm extremely cautious around and in tulips. Call it jitters or probably inexperience but I'm never comfortable in tulip poplars. Definetely my least favorite.
 
Whats so aggressive. Jeez everyone around here has such thin skin. I thought a bunch of tough chest beating treemen hung out here?
 
hey man be careful dont get in over your head. if your having trouble with tip you might be. dont be afraid to get a seasoned climber to help you no shame in learning
 
good attitude around tulips and poplar they have a crapy root system. as we all know the roots go out as far as the limbs (the drip line)i watched a good man ride one to the ground luckly he was a ok he hit hard bruised every organ.he left an impresstion in the ground off his body. i hope this kid makes out ok. winter time everything is weaker very brittle.
keep it safe
 
"how long you been climbing" can be a rather aggresive term infering that the man doesn't know what he's doing. That's what was aggresive about the statement. Maybe it wasn't meant as such so I wanted to show a walk around a possible altercation. but to be honest with you I'm sick of all the bullshit from the thick skinned and thick headed keeping us all from learning by stirring up trouble where there doesn't need to be any.

If you want drama turn on TNT (oh snap)

I'll be waiting for the sarcastic, hatefilled, misdirected angry responses from the few that really need to stir up trouble.


Jeremy, in no way was this rant directed at you man, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Absolutely no disrespect guys and gals, I just think that anyone and everyone should be able to post here, no matter what skill level or experience level without being snubbed

Bring the noise.
 
You are right.


Having said that, Id say...

Id tie into the same place I would during the summer.

Winter / summer = no difference is there?
 
Tophopper I think that you will agree that winter or summer we will use the same TIP, but dead or alive does make a difference. If a tree appears weak I will go bigger, winter or summer.

Familytree you r awesome and knowledgable, but the question of how long have you been climbing is a legit question. The longer you climb(4 or 5 years or even longer) you know whether a tree appears sickly or not(there are exceptions). So I believe that question is not aggressive but legit.

Jerseygirl do you production climb or rec climb? Because not many rec climbers climb dead trees. Last vid I saw of yours it was slightly windy and you just sort of sat there. No offense, just curious?!?
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You are right.


Having said that, Id say...

Id tie into the same place I would during the summer.

Winter / summer = no difference is there?

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Agreed, except in the summer I'm actually able to work in living trees, they all goes away when the price of tree work plumets with the tempertures.

Flash. Your right, very good question but that's not what I was argueing for or about, I guess it all boils down to how it was said, or possibly read by me. Or I could be using this as my springboard into other important issues I've noticed a lot lately. I'm neither thick skinned nor am I the manliest of men, but I am honest, and that's why I've never claimed to be either one.

(just wondering if drinking jim beam puts a notch in my manly belt?)
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Same tie in point as during the summer.

If your not sure pick a large crotch. When you get up you can inspect more closely. Taking chances don't pay off. So if your unsure be safe.

Take your time and if possible climb with those more experienced. Some of those old timers actually have a lot of knowledgable things to share.
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If their isn't a lot of experience around you then try and take a climbing class.


Good luck, be safe, climb high.
 
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Look at this countryboy tells u to be safe in a dead tree and in the same post he says to climb "high".
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA

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So it's Winter and the leaves are gone and the fungi are not so visible. The owner says the tree is "kinda sickly." How do you select a TIP? It isn't a removal.

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So were does he say dead tree? [ QUOTE ]
It isn't a removal

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Doesn't sound dead to me!!!

You must know something i don't.
 
If unsure always go large! You can always change you t.i.p. once you are up there but if you choose one doesn't hold.....

A lot of defects are hard to see from the ground. There is not much worse of a feeling than the feeling that comes from getting close to your t.i.p. and realizing it's not all you thought it was!
 
Do you have a pair of binoculars? Take a look at the top of the tree and the limb you think would be your TIP. If you still feel uneasy about it then as above look for a larger limb then work your way up to a better secure TIP.


Hey FT, maybe the cold has you feeling a bit sensitive. My rule of thumb when reading posts is to assume it is being said in a positive manner. Then always respond with humor and good grace. If it was meant with malice then that will be clarified for you.

Dave, maybe the question that is being inferred is how much experience and/or training do you have? Is this particular job beyond the scope of that?

Low and slow is the motto for doing new things.
 
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