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You know as much as Nosaks s h i t disgust me, I am gonna play a little devils advocate. How many of us ride the crane up into the tree. Probably quite a few. I know I do. As far as I know and I could be very wrong, but that is not allowed by osha, am I right? My point is that I am not so much concerned with small infractions as I am the blatant disregard for life, and safety. I know that on probably a daily basis my guys and I commit small infractions, like not being double tied in when running a saw, or one handing saws, etc. I dont necessarily want him to get in trouble with osha, I just want his program off air because I dont want the public to look at me the same way they look at him. I have faults and things within my company that need a little brushing up, so I dont want to cast the OSHA STONE, but his actions sicken me because of public perception. Once again its more the loud cussing and yelling out in public that bother me.

Once he tipped a crane and it was just luck but he cabled down and steered the boom between two houses and the excessively large sycamore top didnt damage anything either. No damage, an act of God. I was told he went around telling those watching that that is why trees are the most dangerous vegatation on the planet. He accepted no responsibility for the fact that the pick was way to large, and that the tree had nothing to do with it. It was his own fault, but his dumb!@@ blambed the tree. Ridiculous!!!

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Im sure flash if you guys are real pros and look it, the Public will notice.People will see a difference in how you operate and probably help you sale more jobs in the Tulsa area.Theres a certain client that wants true prfessionalism and they know the real deal when they see it.This may be a blessing for you in the long road.It makes it easy to sale jobs when the comp doesnt meet the specs the clients are looking for.I promise if any of our clients see that you show theyll be real thankful they have us and wonder why we dont have our own show.I hope that dude learns from this and humbles himself.Im just not threatened by this at all doesnt faze me,hope he changes his act and does well.I just gotta worry about me and my guys and how we operate.
 
i emailed the channel to. i dont think that riding crane is against osha they do have two line cranes out now. the way he flipped that crane you cant go anymore wrong the whole cab went up off the back of crane that has to be one of the best ways to pick. this guy is an IDIOT. my wife couldnt even believe this jerk. im sure just by watching through the yrs she could run that crew a hell of alot better than him. his crew better bail and find a real company to work for.
 
Flash, it's not the little infractions but the bigger ones that lead us to say enough is enough and to invoke the OSHA watchdogs. This is someone who revels in his flaunting of the rules unlike you and your crew who strive to do better. Living up to a hard set of rules that often differ from what one has learned is a challenge.

We have to police ourselves since OSHA does find it next to impossible to do. The idea is to be ever improving our level of professionalism instead of constantly seeking justification to diminish it.
 
Had most of you considered that the show crew may really be better than most of the folks on this board?

Like the men and women who could shoot a cigarette out of someone's mouth?

Or that guy that can shoot a bug off a leaf with a slingshot.

Maybe this outfit really is that good - having an actual feel for knowing not to cross the line, but understanding how to get there.

Could it just seem dangerous, because you don't know how to pull it off the same way, but if you practiced, you would see the safety in it?

Could be like that guy that split an arrow with an arrow.

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Could it just seem dangerous, because you don't know how to pull it off the same way, but if you practiced, you would see the safety in it?


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With all due respect Mario,

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard anybody say about anything ever.



Nosak is one bobcat flip away from pushing up daisies.



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With all due respect Mario,

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard anybody say about anything ever.



Nosak is one bobcat flip away from pushing up daisies.



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People with multimillion dollar homes or even more so the people whose main asset is there modest home don't want someone straddling the line of safety. Tipping a crane and landing it between houses doesn't sound like guys who know not to cross the line.

Great, do it where it's not going to come back to bite us all on the a$$. When Nosak and his crew dump a piece of gear they become another statistic under the arboriculture column. While it may be exciting to see in a movie or tv drama, it's not when it's put forth as reality.
 
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Had most of you considered that the show crew may really be better than most of the folks on this board?

Like the men and women who could shoot a cigarette out of someone's mouth?

Or that guy that can shoot a bug off a leaf with a slingshot.

Maybe this outfit really is that good - having an actual feel for knowing not to cross the line, but understanding how to get there.

Could it just seem dangerous, because you don't know how to pull it off the same way, but if you practiced, you would see the safety in it?

Could be like that guy that split an arrow with an arrow.

(tee hee)

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Mr Vaden, your posts (and website) always leave me scratching my head. This one is no different. Devil's advocate? Perhaps...
 
I think he was joking see the tee hee at the end.I think alot of guys even on this thread who have made critical comments should really examine there own pratices.Ive noticed in prior post some these same guys stating they are not or have not adhered to safety standards.I actually seen some post pictures of them doing work out of compliance.If your gonna be critical cool,but be critical of yourself first and see how much credibility you have to critisize someone else.Or at least edit your pitures or post.I dont wanna name anyone thats not my place, Im just as guilty.I think its time we drop the smoke and mirrors and own up to our faults.We know the rules and violate them,these guys may be totally ignorant to them-whos more guilty?
 
I hate to be the one who points this out but I think that Nosak is more of the typical north american tree company than any of you guys out here. Before you all get upset here, know that that was meant as a compliment. Ive done my fair share of traveling around the US and Canada and I can't help but look at trees that have been worked on and tree companies at work. All in all the majority of the tree industry IS a bunch of cowboys and hacks. You guys are the minority! Over the time I got into arboriculture and now I have seen changes and you guys are all a part of that change, but as an industry you still have a long way to go. It blows my mind that a plumber needs to be licensed but anyone can rent a crane to lift a tree over a house.

Nosak and his crew are a bit nuts in the way they work but it was good to see the guy getting crap for putting his foot in the chipper. Also, if a camera crew followed me around (either in a tree or in my current job) and filmed every single thing i did, you could put together a pretty damning video. We all know the rules yet take calculated risks once in a while that put us beyond the law. I have to admit the thing that bothered me the most was when his climber put on spurs to remove a branch.

By the way "i am here to protect your family, you and your houses from the most deadly vegetation on earth; trees!" is the funniest line I have EVER heard. Even my wife was laughing her off.
 
Maybe MV can clarify but as for casting the stone. While I agree that we've all at one time or another violate rules that doesn't disqualify us from speaking up when we see gross violations and further to see them flaunted. For the most part we strive to adhere to the rules or at least I do.

The real point of all this may be just as you suggest. How many of us would want videos of our day to day work broadcast? Would we be seen as professional and upholding the rules and standards?
 
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I hate to be the one who points this out but I think that Nosak is more of the typical north american tree company than any of you guys out here. Before you all get upset here, know that that was meant as a compliment. Ive done my fair share of traveling around the US and Canada and I can't help but look at trees that have been worked on and tree companies at work. All in all the majority of the tree industry IS a bunch of cowboys and hacks. You guys are the minority! Over the time I got into arboriculture and now I have seen changes and you guys are all a part of that change, but as an industry you still have a long way to go. It blows my mind that a plumber needs to be licensed but anyone can rent a crane to lift a tree over a house.

Nosak and his crew are a bit nuts in the way they work but it was good to see the guy getting crap for putting his foot in the chipper. Also, if a camera crew followed me around (either in a tree or in my current job) and filmed every single thing i did, you could put together a pretty damning video. We all know the rules yet take calculated risks once in a while that put us beyond the law. I have to admit the thing that bothered me the most was when his climber put on spurs to remove a branch.

By the way "i am here to protect your family, you and your houses from the most deadly vegetation on earth; trees!" is the funniest line I have EVER heard. Even my wife was laughing her off.

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Great post Dave!

A point I've been trying to make but falling mostly on deaf ears is that many members here...and even the ISA with their web site......are shooting our industry in the foot by all of this squeeling to OSHA BS!

Our industry obviously needs a lot more of OSHA's attention than we are getting. Not!
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Mario, you can't be serious....but then, maybe you were. But, since you don't do this work, maybe you should think before you post such nonsense.

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You know ...

Maybe ask a question first if you don't know what I do and what I've done. I've been doing tree work since 1980. Two of my best friends are Certified Arborists with major big tree climbing and removal experience dating back decades. I worked hand in hand with them for years on tree projects of all sizes. Estimate sheets for the other companies have been next to my own, and they are more than happy to have me do estimates for them.

That's why it's more important what the experts 10 miles from me who work with me have to say about me, versus ignorant professionals who merely try to guess from a website that excludes 80% of my experience.

Suppose my site only shows a few feet of French drain for example ...

It does not mention anywhere that I've worked on drainage systems that remove 1200 gallons per minute off a country club.

A photo may show a couple of plants going in. But there may be no reference to construction of the landscape around an auditorium that seats 5000 people.

So the people out this way, have no problem with the fact I can do 10 times the scope that I offer, but choose to downsize for my own taste. They just want what is done to be done right.
 
Sorry, Mario, reckon I overstepped there. Was just thinking that you've not been a climber.....forgot you might have been on crews.

Main thing is, nosak IS dangerous....and, unlike the many cowboy outfits that get in over their heads, is on TV showing this bad work.

At least the coming shows aren't as bad. They can be seen on nosakraw.com.
 
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Sorry, Mario, reckon I overstepped there. Was just thinking that you've not been a climber.....forgot you might have been on crews.

Main thing is, nosak IS dangerous....and, unlike the many cowboy outfits that get in over their heads, is on TV showing this bad work.

At least the coming shows aren't as bad. They can be seen on nosakraw.com.

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Thanks for making amends.

Actually, it's understandable that an impression can be formed. I may be a co-champion for forming wrong impressions myself.

Because one ... I don't climb now ... and two ... for when I did for a short time in the late 80s, it was short lived. Mainly get involved with just about everything but clmbing anymore. Handling the ropes is actually one of my favorite things. Just visited my arborist friend in Indiana last summer - sure enought, Monday and Tuesday I'm part of his work gang just like the good old days when he was out here.

He likes my driving too. Drove his big truck with the box and boom, plus a 20' trailer the stump grinder. Said every guy he's had has dropped the right tire into the ditch near his shop turning right, except me.

I never took any photos of any work at all until about 2001 when I got my first digital camera. It's crossed my mind to go back and take a few images of some places I worked in the past and include them.

On the NOSAK thing ...

The (tee hee) in at the end of the one post was indicative that the post was a figure of speech. Meaning I think the guy is a moron. At first I posted it figuratively, then edited thinking I better add a hint or people will think I'f off my rocker.

But I tried to be real subtle, hoping to trigger some thought about the angle that TLC may be running the show for a bit of the same reason as the awe factor of people who can shoot cigarettes out of mouths. Although, the last show I saw on the expert marksmen, does not seem to involve humans as mounting brackets anymore.

Thanks for being a cheery fellow ...
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