saw for hire tv show?

Some of you will be getting an email about a call to action. In addition to us talking about these issues amongst ourselves we MUST take the initiative and contact Discovery/TLC too.

This is OUR issue and the axiom 'If it's to be it's up to me' must be followed.

FWIW...all of the companies that were in the series 'Axe Men' have open OSHA investigations going. Once that starts the book doesn't close even after thousands of dollars of fines are paid. OSHA then sticks around to make sure of continued compliance.

Let's make sure that everyone knows that this show doesn't portray professionals.

When these issues come up I wonder, who does the treework for the producer of the show? That person may have the ear of the producer, who is likely not to know right from wrong, and could attempt to have a show, with just as much action and whoopla, be shown.

Now...follow Carla and send TLC a report!
 
Did anyone notice during the video of the crane almost flipping on there website he was doing advertising for a stihl chainsaw and bobcat skids. I still can't believe stihl or bobcat would want to be accosicated with something like that. Amazies me that no one got hurt during that show.
 
As industry associations it is the function to do something about this. The only way they will become a household name and true representatives of our industry is if they start to proactively promote the industry as professionals through mainstream media, basically tv, and internet. How about putting some stuff of there own on youtube, or lawn and garden? Approach producers of these reality shows to become sponsors and consultants on their development.

I've seen nothing on the ISA website to even remotely support the claim they are making about outreach to consumers.
 
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As industry associations it is the function to do something about this. The only way they will become a household name and true representatives of our industry is if they start to proactively promote the industry as professionals through mainstream media, basically tv, and internet. How about putting some stuff of there own on youtube, or lawn and garden? Approach producers of these reality shows to become sponsors and consultants on their development.

I've seen nothing on the ISA website to even remotely support the claim they are making about outreach to consumers.

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Part of what helps a video gain legs on Youtube, is a bit of the shock and awe factor.

ISA would just need to figure out how to add Dramatic elements to arborist work, in a safe and professional manner.

There is a pay-to-promote feature though to get around that.

But the shock and awe factor seems to be what these channels were going for.

Did you read Preston's book the Wild Trees? Even he used that angle. He introduced an account of a forest worker who fell and died, for the book. The worker was not even a character, and the tale of the death was really not essential at all.

Maybe that's a problem with writers and producers.

Preston said that one arborist falling made a "hissing sound" in the air. Then I read another writer who was writing about that part of Preston's book, and relayed it as sounding like a "train" going by.

If this is the trend and nature of writing and producing, hopefully it's not a worse obstacle to deal with than it seems.
 
Yes, unfortunately the newspaper adage, "if it bleeds it leads" lives.

The Perfect Storm is another that really tells a grim tale but it sold hundreds. In our safe and insular world it may be the only way in which people can satisfy that strange desire for an adrenalin rush. We feel more alive we confronted with death and danger.
 
Sebastian Junger, the author of Fire and Perfect Storm, was a contract tree climber near Gloucester MA. What he wrote about in both of these books is the reality of danger...not fabricated 'reality' that is being sold to prime time.

We can wait for the coalition of forces to gather, decide what to do and hope that the message gets out. No doubt this will happen and will be a huge, powerful message. Until then, take direct action and be involved. Like any social movement, 'If it's to be it's up to me' must be followed.
 
The comment that I made to TLC was tied to their ratings. Something about how the airing of that show had tarnished my opinion of their otherwise quality programming. Hopefully that would make them think.

Also, Mark aren't you a spokesman for Stihl to a point? Is there anything that STIHL can do here? I mean they do show an 020 right on the title.
 
It's bad all the way around to sensationalize this kind of work, and other trades too for that matter. The facts and true stories of our everyday routine is exciting enough without having to stretch it out of proportion.

I've never watch either of those shows, but I have seen a few clips on You Tube. And it was enough to get the big picture.
 
Absolutely Tom. What happens though is this ideal forms the basis of the next wave of sensationalism. If a little bit sold then a lot sells better! They try to manufacture that same idea but fell far short of it.
 
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Truth is STIHL doesn't sponsor or support this show. Many people, Nosak included, will try to provide a service and then try to get "sponsorship". Trust me, I don't think this is where STIHL would like to put their marketing dollars.
 
Guaranteed the more people that write the Discovery channel expressing their concern, the more certain it is that the show continues to run. If the arb industry comes up with enough feedback.....they will move the show into a prime time slot.


Nosak wins!

Controversy draws viewers!
 
Dude payed for the show himself and took it over the top to get on Tv.People wanna see danger and recklousness.Your average Joe is not gonna watch most of us work-we want break enough stuff or get hurt or yell alot.Our jobs tend to be calm caculated and boring for the most part.WE try not to take risk or yell alot.I try to plan everything out move quickly and safe and move on to the next job with no DRAMA!Thats boring,people wanna to see stuff tore up people hurt, guys yellimg-stuff going down lots of drama.Peoples desires fuel a need for stuff like this.Just look at all the shows like this they always air people who are on the dangerous side or yelling(american chopper).One solution dont watch it,I didnt(had several people contact me though about it)another solution fund your own show with pros.I really dont care what that guys doing,all I care about is what im doing and my company.Fact is people who we work already see the difference from the pros and the shows.
 
you're absolutely right. I think it's an excellent sign of your abilities and techniques as a team when a crowd of people gather for a removal and leave shortly after your first pieces are rigged out. Maybe we need to do more skidsteer wheelies and flag waving?
 
I e-mailed discovery via the link posted.

The more I think about it, I don't think the kind of customers I like to work for will actually sit down and watch this kinda show anyways. I do see the trailer park living, beer drinking, wife beaters enjoying it. Sorry if I offended anyone.
 
Episode #2 on the Nosak website is really entertaining for me to watch. I have the same crane they are using, a Terex 4792, it's easy to hear that the LMI alarm on the crane is going off basically the whole time they are removing that Oak. They deployed the jib and have the boom on an angle lower than the jib should even be used. That's why the alarm is going off before they have even put any load on the crane. He is so far off the chart with those picks it is even funny. I would never dream of doing what he is doing with that crane. Especially on national tv, he is putting peoples property and more importantly peoples lives at risk the way he using that crane. OSHA should enjoy it as well. On second thought the LMI alarm might be going off the whole time because it is malfunctioning in the Jib mode. Either way he is way off the Load chart with those picks.
 
GIT-R-DONE! GO BIG OR GO HOME! etc, etc.

I'm e-mailing TLC tonight.

By the way, didn't this Nosak thing start over a year ago? Maybe that was just the youtube thing?
 
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Did you read Preston's book the Wild Trees? Even he used that angle. He introduced an account of a forest worker who fell and died, for the book. The worker was not even a character, and the tale of the death was really not essential at all.

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Mario did you read the The Wild Trees?

The guy who fell is a respected pro climber and a friend of Sillett, and he didn't die. WTF are you talking about? I thought the story of his fall (and survival) was very relevant to the book: technical climbing in tall trees is potentially very dangerous, even for highly experienced and safety aware pro climbers.

Have you read any of Preston's other books? He loves blood and guts well described, I like to think of him as the Steven King of science writers. More power to him!

I return you to the Discovery Channel mess.
-moss aka Andrew Joslin
 
I was watching his blurb on line and he has his phone number blazed across his shirt. I have half a notion to call on thee phone at 1 or 2 in the morning and give him a rash of s----! The guy is a piece of work for sure.
 
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