DanHouse
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I added on extra "Loop" while bending a safety knot so it looks like a little bow-tie.
I find that is pulls out like butter even if jammed hard and tight.
See you at the top,
Dan
Safety Knot Modification
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I added on extra "Loop" while bending a safety knot so it looks like a little bow-tie.
I find that is pulls out like butter even if jammed hard and tight.
See you at the top,
Dan
- Location
- Chardon, OH
Hey Dan !
If the stopper knot has not been engaged (hit by a descent, running out of tail), why this is an improvement over a properly dressed & set (approx. 1 foot from the end): Figure-8 or a double overhand.
The Figure-8 & double overhand would still be very easy to untie.
I understand it can be untied in 1 versus 5 seconds.
On the other hand, if something (falling limbs, ground crew feet, etc) can pull the tail out of your knot ……………… It may very well happen sometime.
I have a friend (ITCC judge) who recommends a double overhand, instead of a figure-8, since he has seen a figure-8 roll out. I have adopted the double overhand.
I think that the double overhand can be tied 2 ways.
They just seem to be inverted.
One is 2 loops, with the tail thru both.
The second is 1 loop, with the tail thru the loop twice.
Ciao for Now ! Greg
If the stopper knot has not been engaged (hit by a descent, running out of tail), why this is an improvement over a properly dressed & set (approx. 1 foot from the end): Figure-8 or a double overhand.
The Figure-8 & double overhand would still be very easy to untie.
I understand it can be untied in 1 versus 5 seconds.
On the other hand, if something (falling limbs, ground crew feet, etc) can pull the tail out of your knot ……………… It may very well happen sometime.
I have a friend (ITCC judge) who recommends a double overhand, instead of a figure-8, since he has seen a figure-8 roll out. I have adopted the double overhand.
I think that the double overhand can be tied 2 ways.
They just seem to be inverted.
One is 2 loops, with the tail thru both.
The second is 1 loop, with the tail thru the loop twice.
Ciao for Now ! Greg
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
Greg,
Dan will be back, but, I think I know the application that he's looking at here.
You're right...a figure eight stopper at the end of a rope isn't a great choice. My ropes always have double fisherman's.
What Dan is talking about is midline stoppers.
This is something that's SOP for rec climbers and should be used my pro climbers when they're trying out some new climbing hitch or major change in their climbing system. The stoppers are there to keep a climber from sliding down the rope if they release their hitch. For many years a slipped half hitch has been used in the tail or down-rope, under the friction hitch of a DdRT system. Tied about every 6-8' it gives a good security to the system.
When the climber is ready to descend they rap down until the stopper hits their brake hand, they stop, untie the stopper and continue.
Another option is to have someone on the ground tug the climber's tail rope and 'zipper' the stoppers. Sometimes one of the stoppers doesn't pop open though. Dan's solution would eliminate this problem.
Dan will be back, but, I think I know the application that he's looking at here.
You're right...a figure eight stopper at the end of a rope isn't a great choice. My ropes always have double fisherman's.
What Dan is talking about is midline stoppers.
This is something that's SOP for rec climbers and should be used my pro climbers when they're trying out some new climbing hitch or major change in their climbing system. The stoppers are there to keep a climber from sliding down the rope if they release their hitch. For many years a slipped half hitch has been used in the tail or down-rope, under the friction hitch of a DdRT system. Tied about every 6-8' it gives a good security to the system.
When the climber is ready to descend they rap down until the stopper hits their brake hand, they stop, untie the stopper and continue.
Another option is to have someone on the ground tug the climber's tail rope and 'zipper' the stoppers. Sometimes one of the stoppers doesn't pop open though. Dan's solution would eliminate this problem.
- Location
- Chardon, OH
Cool & understood.
I knew that I was missing something.
Thanks.
Ciao ! Greg
I knew that I was missing something.
Thanks.
Ciao ! Greg
DanHouse
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WOW to the point correct! Thanks Tom, methinks we share the same mind in some small cotangential convervance.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Twin sons of different mothers, Dan!
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- Bloomington, Indiana
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You're right...a figure eight stopper at the end of a rope isn't a great choice. My ropes always have double fisherman's.
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Or, as Greg said, double overhands? A double fisherman's joins two rope ends.
You're right...a figure eight stopper at the end of a rope isn't a great choice. My ropes always have double fisherman's.
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Or, as Greg said, double overhands? A double fisherman's joins two rope ends.
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
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You're right...a figure eight stopper at the end of a rope isn't a great choice. My ropes always have double fisherman's.
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Or, as Greg said, double overhands? A double fisherman's joins two rope ends.
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Oops...yes DOH..I got sloppy with my knot words
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You're right...a figure eight stopper at the end of a rope isn't a great choice. My ropes always have double fisherman's.
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Or, as Greg said, double overhands? A double fisherman's joins two rope ends.
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Oops...yes DOH..I got sloppy with my knot words
chris_girard
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- Gilmanton, N.H.
Hey Tom did you see Mahk's attachment in my Hitch Hiker thread on the Double, Double Fisherman's Trouble article?
Do you think that we can get this added to the Buzz Articles Section?
Do you think that we can get this added to the Buzz Articles Section?
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