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I decided to try the"m" in a large Chestnut Oak. It created a lot of friction. It was helpful for lowerering back to my TIP,but as far as a redirect it didn't seem that great. A good alternative to carrying a second rope. As in the picture the M doesn't really act like a true re-direct, more like a second tie in. Still a cool trick though.
 
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Just found this thread, sorry I've been no help whatsoever I've been very busy wearing Lycra!!

That re direct is not my idea, just one that I learned somewhere. Instead of using throwline to retrieve it you could use the tail end of your rope although that would make a loop and dropping limbs into that loop would be a problem and generaly it might end up in a big tangle.

Steve. Your typings getting worserer, stay off the cider!

Mark, I thought your re-de was called the B!!
 
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hey rooop

i thought of using the tail of your rope for retrieval but if you're going to do that may as well just climb the merrist wood technique
 
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its just climbing using both ends of your climbing line tom.....as advocated by merrist wood college....hence the merrist wood technique
 
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I used the "M" technique today in a whole slew of 80' White Pines that needed the large dead wood removed. This may actually be the best application for this type of redirect. I was able to remove all the dead wood on the way up one Pine (using anchor bridge on a 4" pulley) and then transferred over to another Pine and set up the "M" redirect. Made it super easy to sail down and hit all the dead.

Thanks for sharing that one Mark.
 
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I was able to remove all the dead wood on the way up one Pine (using anchor bridge on a 4" pulley) and then transferred over to another Pine and set up the "M" redirect. Made it super easy to sail down and hit all the dead.

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I guess I'm missing something. Why did you need, or how did it help to have, the M to sail down and hit all the dead wood? Once you transferred over to the second tree couldn't you just select a TIP in that tree and get the deadwood just as well? Or did you set the M between the second tree and a third tree and do both of those trees on the way down?
 
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Mark,

In this case I set up a pulley on an anchor line and had my rope going through the pulley. (this was for the first tree) Once I transferred trees I would have needed to pull my rope out of the pulley in order to select a new TIP on the second tree. This would have been fine, however, it would have made retrieving the pulley from the first tree a little messier. By using the "M" redirect I could take everything apart from the ground without any problems. Also when setting the redirect I put it through a regular two ring type FS so there wasn't much friction playing on the whole system. In case I was able to get to a third tree I was able to retrieve the FS while in the second tree and reset it in the third.

Having another rope to tie in with at the second tree would have eliminated the need to tie the redirect, but then I wouldn't have been able to try marks system.


rich
 
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Rupe,
I knew all you Euro's still wear Lycra. Probably Speedo's at the beach too. Dang!! Somebody has to do it.

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I draw the line at speedos, and also I'm not a Euro I'm British, except for now during the six nations championships when I'm definatly English!

As for lycra though, the things you do when bored!!!!!
 

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Not that I'm one for hijacking threads but.....

This is Gold cup week here in cheltenham where I live. Possibly the greatest Horse racing festival in the world. The whole town is overun with the Oirish, and St Patricks day is this week and England play Ireland on saturday!! Crazy week ahead.

Today the first ever 1 million pound bet was placed at cheltenham race course. The horse came in at 3:4
 
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i thought of using the tail of your rope for retrieval but if you're going to do that may as well just climb the merrist wood technique

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I've been thinking about this a bit. See attachment. Is this what you were talking about?

How does this differ (or is it the same) from the MWT?

How does it compare to what Jepson says in his book? I don't have the book with me right now, but I'm fairly certain he talks about the issue to some extent.

I haven't tried this setup, but I can think of some pros and cons:

Pros:
1. It gives you a true redirect. The "M" seems to be the way to go in most circumstances, but it's not a true redirect. If you needed to get "outside the triangle," it seems the "M" would make things difficult.

2. It is retrievable in two manners:
A. You can retrieve just the redirect, or
B. You can retrieve the whole line including the redirect and Primary TIP.

Cons:
1. Tangle potential - four sections of the rope running vertically between the climber and the Redirect.

2. Friction on the lines - two [I just edited this; I had mistated "three sections"] sections of rope running through a single carabiner or ring.

3. When removing only the redirect, there's potential that it will snag a branch on it's slide down the line (but then, I suppose this potential exists in any removable redirect).

4. Time consuming - may take a few minutes to set up and take down.

5. Length of rope needed - where working end comes down, up, and back down, the rope will be used up quick while descending on the Redirect (on the other hand, the lower you get on the Redirect, the less need you have of it since your angle relative to your Primary TIP is likely decreasing - at some point, you'll be able to safely switch back to your Primary TIP)
 

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no your diagrams wrong whit

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I'm not sure that my diagram is wrong. My diagram is quite accurate as I pictured it in my head.

I was thinking about that setup and then read your post and figured perhaps I had the same idea as what you were talking about.

Though my idea is different than the setup you talking about, I'd still like to hear what people think about it.

And of course Steve, I'd like to see that photo.
 
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ok forget what i said i was getting confused. thats not the merrist wood technique.....that is basically getting the tail of your rope and making a second tip with its own friction hitch system.
 
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