retreivable redirects

[Tom Dunlap]

Re: retreivable redirects

Even if there are two FCs used and a pulley at the saddle there is enough friction in the M system to not have the climber go to the center or neutral hang. As friction is added to the M by removing pulleys you can see that it doesn't take much to stay centered.

Any ring/ring or biner/pulley false crotch will work at the redi of the M. When you set it up you have to be sure that you run your climbing rope in the right direction so that your stopper will catch the small ring/pulley.

 

[stevebullman]

Re: retreivable redirects

instead of running it through the same krab on your harness that you're going to clip into you could run it through one of these.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Re: retreivable redirects

Using a Roller biner would not be a good idea!

Since the Roller isn't double locking the wire gate could allow the rope to jump out. That would lead to a long fall.

TK uses a Roller with another large biner as a backup. In other words, the rope is supported by the Roller but is inside the larger biner. In this situation I think that would make for a real clutter. When I've used the M I put a really short quick draw sling on one of my biners and then the redi on my saddle on that. It keeps the saddle redi out of the gear on my bridge.

 

[Mahk_Adams]

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treebing wrote:

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It seems it the M situation you would always be under the influence of both TIPs. Your natural fall line would always be in the middle of the two and not directly underneath one or the other. Because of this it would be a little harder to get way out there then by using a conventional redirect.


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Tom wrote:

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Even if there are two FCs used and a pulley at the saddle there is enough friction in the M system to not have the climber go to the center or neutral hang.

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I think what treebing meant is that it is diificult to go beyond either TIP with the M-direct. The M works great for working below or anywhere between the TIPS, but if you have to access something much beyond one of the TIPS ("...way out there..." as treebing said) then the other TIP tends to pull you back. In these situations I think a different type of re-di is more helpful.

 

[western_DAWGGG]

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I am blinded by the M talk cant see how
"simple" it is how is the eye splice constructed .Is it about a three ft section of rope with a splice on each end and just girth hitched around the redirect point? with a small eye and a larger one (like a fs strap?).And after which end has the biner clipped on .somebody draw it ...........robdog..........slow ain't the word

 

[stevebullman]

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as i understood it dawgg they're referring to your eyesplice on your main climbing line.
i'll take a pic thursday if no one posts one before

 

[Mark Chisholm]

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I am blinded by the M talk cant see how
"simple" it is how is the eye splice constructed .Is it about a three ft section of rope with a splice on each end and just girth hitched around the redirect point? with a small eye and a larger one (like a fs strap?).And after which end has the biner clipped on .somebody draw it ...........robdog..........slow ain't the word

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Here's a shot of Nicola in Italy practicing it in a 148' London Plane tree. /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[western_DAWGGG]

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Thank you sir! pics would be nice.... college drop out am I...........gonna use all this I will speed up my climbers and myself with these large PONDOS with a proper redirect that is easy and reliable...........robdog

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Re: retreivable redirects

Does this help?

The redi on the left is a natural union, on the right a FC of your choice. Set it up however you choose.

The center point, where the rope comes into the saddle can be a biner, pulley or set it up on a runner to get it away from your bridge just a little.

 

[stevebullman]

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i think id be weary of using a falso crotch on the re-direct using that technique tom.......if it got stuck on retrieval you'd be proper screwed

 

[western_DAWGGG]

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SWEET! nice big syccamore.Well I gotta try it and see looks like the pic shows the climber just throwing the clip over the redirect point .If so the bark will get torn up with me on the load.Hope I am wrong and if not a regular FS can be installed,but in my ponderosa trees with the big spreads here we wont worry about tearing up the bark.Thanks MARK AND TOM............ROBDOG
(I think I see the M )

 

[Peter]

Re: retreivable redirects

rupe's redi

[I resized and cropped the picture and made in an attachment so that dial-up users can load faster....Tom]

 

[stevebullman]

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the link dont work dude

 

[Peter]

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Well, its there! Couldnt get it to work as an attachment so its embedded. Sorry about the size!

The throwline should be attached to the snap on the left for remote retrieval.

 

[stevebullman]

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ahh i see it now

 

[stevebullman]

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the zing it goes on the dog snap so you can use the pulley to pull the prussik right off and the whole thing slides down to you.....sweet

 

[Tom Dunlap]

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Is this the setup where the end of the redi, the leg with the friction hitch/pulley/snap doesn't have a stopper? The slack tender on top is used to strip off the friction hitch..." Is that right?

 

[Peter]

Re: retreivable redirects

Thats right Tom. Might limit its use slightly, an accidental premature retrieval, say the throwline getting caught on a piece of brush, would result in a surprise swing.

Thanks for the pic editing, will keep Glens and co off my back!

 

[stevebullman]

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its a cool set-up, but i dont like the idea of carrying all the clobber around with me. im definetly going to try the m redirect on thursday

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Re: retreivable redirects

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i dont like the idea of carrying all the clobber around with me.

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Why would you? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Hav ethe goundie send up the redi when you need it. No need to be a pack animal in the tree.