Redwood (director's cut)

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Re Dan's posts -

Firstly, I think most reasonable and experienced people in the tree care industry would be satisified with the work being performed in the video.

Secondly, we all know there are some universally accepted techniques and methods for tree removal, but if we're discussing a specific type of rigging relating to how big or small we go then we're getting into the realms of assessing risk, which is a very personal thing that can't be taught from books, magazines or training seminars.

I took the sizes I did in the video because they were the optimum size I wanted to take.

For Dan, the definition of 'optimum'

optimum - a condition, degree, amount or compromise that produces the best possible result

adj

most favourable or advantageous; best optimum conditions
[from Latin: the best (thing), from optimus best; see optimism]

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
 
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I took another look... there's a very interesting shot at 3:18-3:20.. pretty cool .. you can see the hinge fail and the piece sit down a fraction of an inch before it goes..

I also liked the shot of the rope getting pulled up to the block then pan out to the bird and the lake.. nice piece of video there! Honestly other than that and the music can't say I was impressed.. just seems like a lot of wasted time.. Like why cover that entire sun room with plywood and pallets if you were going to lower everything.. piece of mind??? That's a lot of work to what end?

And it wasn't really such a tight drop zone on all sides.. you had plenty of room to drop a much bigger stick... and those pieces that came off right after the husky came up were tiny.. like you never cut anything over 4' no matter how big the diameter.. some of them looked like they weighed no more than 50-70 lbs.. that's a big tree to be negative rigging 50 lbs at a time.. Even a lot of those limbs look like they could have come down two or more at a time. How long did that climbing take.. just the climbing?

Still it's a big tree and you got it down with perfect control. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't see anything so impressive. I AM sure there are west coast types that would have taken that wood in 16'ers for the mill. That would be impressive.
 
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It's simple really.

Grover's a pro, who knows that flying bark can damage sun rooms, and takes precautions to insure that doesn't happen.

Whereas you're a fly by the seat of your pants clown, as proven by your own posted vids.

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I dont know how Daniel would go bigger and still be in control.Would you have topped it first and have it roll down the branches or what?

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I actually did that on the only redwood I removed in CA. top was bombed and the lower limbs did slow it way down.. no needed but interesting. I was actually concerned it might hang up...


One of the groundies had worked for Davey said he'd never seen anyone so fast... And I was taking my time, cause it was a strange species. I never claim(ed) to be fast in the spikes.. I've seen fast, but apparently the dude from Davey never did. Maybe you guys haven't either.

When rigging big trees, fast means taking big pieces, with great efficiency. This is what I AM talking about:

Part 1 http://youtu.be/LpwDNQwKzFo

Part 2 http://youtu.be/E-elOeOd4Ak


Still IMO one of the finest youtube examples of efficient climbing and rigging to date.
 
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It's simple really.

Grover's a pro, who knows that flying bark can damage sun rooms, and takes precautions to insure that doesn't happen.

Whereas you're a fly by the seat of your pants clown, as proven by your own posted vids.

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Being unfamiliar with the species, its tough to say whether or not that makes sense. As I recall redwoods are mighty brittle and you could break a limb just by standing on it.. so maybe that makes sense to take no chances with some freak thing happening.. or even a little notch taking a funny bounce. That just looked like a very time consuming set up.
 
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Whereas you're a fly by the seat of your pants clown, as proven by your own posted vids.
jomoco

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2OuZ3bnEQ&feature=plcp

Who's the real clown? you're climbing on true blue, steel clips, double D's and scribing bark on your thru bolts, which are set way too low.. Jo.. you're doing inferior work with equipment that's 15 years out of date... that's the joke..
 
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First off, Grover, I thought the vid was great. Super smooth! Obviously in control.
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Dan's first vid. 6:35. Pat's lucky he was behind the stem. That piece would have been fun to take in the chest.
 
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Like why cover that entire sun room with plywood and pallets if you were going to lower everything.. piece of mind??? That's a lot of work to what end?


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peace of mind - the absence of mental stress or anxiety.........think about it....

peace of mind that brittle tips from the rigged branches and other debris (small dead stubs, heavy ripe cones) were not going to smash through glass on the first piece rigged out and cause stress and anxiety to the client and ourselves.

It took around 30 mins for the groundies to construct whilst the climber ascended/prepped the tree to fix a block at the top to start the rigging of the lower branches. It's nice to do things right dont you agree?

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And it wasn't really such a tight drop zone on all sides.. you had plenty of room to drop a much bigger stick

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Sure we could've taken the stick much taller/bigger, but there were underground utilities on the lawn. Also with the proximity of the sunroom to the stem - we didn't want the colossal weight of the stem damaging the foundations of the sunroom.

Noticed the perfectly intact sunroom, no broken glass
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I agree with Jomoco (shudder)...

You are an idiot Daniel, stop trying to ruin everyones threads. This isnt the Murphy idiot show.
 
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Hey Nick,
You're green as grass.. you got no business calling me anything...

hard to see that the sunroom had a glass roof from the video, and with the proximity to the tree, so definitely good to have the added protection.. nice work.. my bad

Utilities here are put below the frost line at around 3' depth, so except the dog fence, that's not even a consideration... I've never seen foundation damage as an issue. There is one contractor around here that insists on cranes being used to remove trees on his property for that reason. I think he's crazy, but hey is his money. Has anyone ever heard of foundation damage from tree falling? Might be different working in the old world.. most foundations around here are less than 70 years old..
 
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at 2:50 your steel core lanyard is pinched behind the block.. at 3:04 looks like the other steel core is going to be rope on rope, pinched under the rigging line or block. Your line and lanyard should be above or below the block..

And the climbing line is set under the rigging line at 1:50 and 2:26. Looks like that's where it stayed... Not so impressive!
 
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Very professionally executed.
I like the fact that you took the time to cover the room. Very professional.

I noticed the rigging block ended up on your life support system in a couple of the spar logs.
A solution would be to put your life support lines just below the eye sling, so the block won't fall on them.
 
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Utilities here are put below the frost line at around 3' depth, that's not even a consideration...


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in the world I live in there is consequences for those who damage underground utilities, and those consequences carry a heavy financial burden. There is also the small matter of safety when dealing with tree removals on ground with known underground utilities. It's good to think about these things isn't it?

Re foundations - sure the foundation issue isn't a big deal but I reckoned that felling a huge trunk next to a glass structure might not be such a great idea for obvious reasons. Not a huge deal, but worthwhile considering all the same, it's nice to think about these things from the client's point of view isn't it? making sure their house and property isn't damaged, dont you agree?

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Very professionally executed.
I like the fact that you took the time to cover the room. Very professional.

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Thanks Norm, appreciate the kind words.



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I noticed the rigging block ended up on your life support system in a couple of the spar logs.
A solution would be to put your life support lines just below the eye sling, so the block won't fall on them.

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Yes, I agree, it's a bad habit I have sometimes. I also have no quick escape route down the stem in that situation which is something to consider (the climbing line isn't choked to the stem). Sometimes I can go for months or years without really updating or developing my climbing techniques, I really need to address this issue.
 
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at 2:50 your steel core lanyard is pinched behind the block.. at 3:04 looks like the other steel core is going to be rope on rope, pinched under the rigging line or block. Your line and lanyard should be above or below the block..

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very true, see my post above to Norm.



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And the climbing line is set under the rigging line at 1:50 and 2:26. Looks like that's where it stayed... Not so impressive!

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I agree, I dont like when things like that happen and it's frustrating to think I never noticed that and let it go on for a few of those pieces. The rigging rope rubbing against a fixed spot on climbing line for each of those pieces is almost inconsequential from a safety point of view but it's not good practice to have it happening at all, as the climber it's my responsibility.
 
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Nice pics grov... at least a two day project right? What lowering device did you use to lower? Looks like a good tree to have the Stein Dual Bollard, especially with the big wood.
 
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Nice pics grov... at least a two day project right? What lowering device did you use to lower? Looks like a good tree to have the Stein Dual Bollard, especially with the big wood.

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Yes Bixler, 2 days on the Redwood

Large Buckingham Porty to lower everything down, I think Reg's products look great and are designed very well, same for the GRCS and Hobbs but I can't ever see us doing a job that will need a bollard type LD. If we're doing big trees we just keep the rigging to a sensible size which helps the ground crew anyway.

When I first saw the Redwood I did consider a bollard as the diameter of the trunk was big for a long way up the tree, but having used the Porty for such a long time now on medium/big removals I was satisified it could handle the timber no problem. ISC block which you all know, Samson rigging rope and a 70cc Jonsered(2171) with 30" oregon powermatch bar for blocking most of the the spar down

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