Redwood (director's cut)

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without a large bollard you can't rig too long on the fat wood.. though you still could have cut longer sections of the smaller wood.. So that was good work given you were limited by the equipment..

However there were other options... You could have built a landing pad out of plywood/scrap wood and brush, then bombed the right sized pieces out to land them flat, which would be 18-20% of the height of the stick. even if you had to measure to make sure they were exactly right, and had the utilities marked. Looks like there was a lot of room, as long as you trust your falling skills.. That's why its good to practice such things on no risk landscapes, to build your confidence..


groundies could have handled the pieces quickly with two saw and clean wood up on the brush.

That would have been fast, fun, and safer than rigging with an undersized LD, putting more cycles on the ropes, having groundies spend more time under the tree, etc.. And it would have cut down on climber fatigue, and all the time handling the big saw aloft etc..
 
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You could have built a landing pad out of plywood/scrap wood and brush, then bombed the right sized pieces out to land them flat, which would be 18-20% of the height of the stick. even if you had to measure to make sure they were exactly right, and had the utilities marked. Looks like there was a lot of room, as long as you trust your falling skills.. That's why its good to practice such things on no risk landscapes, to build your confidence..


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Firstly, I'm more than happy with how that job worked out.

The techniques and methods we implemented worked very well. It was all done in a very calm manner, nobody rushing around like idiots, no shouting or drama occurred on that site. The crew on that job were professionals.

In comparison, what you suggest in your post above is amateurish. It's deficient in many ways, like something an ill-informed gardener would attempt.



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In comparison, what you suggest in your post above is amateurish. It's deficient in many ways, like something an ill-informed gardener would attempt.

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When I make a criticism, I give concrete examples, crossed lines, pinched under block etc... Calling someone names doesn't help anyone learn what to do, or not to do.. You talk bro! no substance in your critique... so keep talking ... Big Jon or Pat would have had that tree on the ground in half the time it took you!
 
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You talk bro! no substance in your critique... so keep talking

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tell you what bro, I'll keep talking, you keep fighting evolution and when you've caught up with rest of us, then we'll discuss treework




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There are two routes from the US to Scotland.

One is about 19,700 miles...the other...about 3,300.

Either way...its a longgggggggg way. How can anyone comment on how a job would have gone from this distance?

Monday Quarterbacks
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Grov was it by the hour? Day? or Bid job?

Just asking Grov... since were talking here... Murph, sorry Daniel has valid points, he just gets a little excited that's all.

I'll do trees differently depending on how I'm paid, or by other situations. Sometimes your working for "that lady" who doesn't want to see the violence of stuff crashing down, and sometimes she's not home so you can let it fly.

Tom D... easy on the lock button... I know it's gotta be big, red, and flashing, tempting really... Just kidding, you do a fine job!
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There are two routes from the US to Scotland.

One is about 19,700 miles...the other...about 3,300.

Either way...its a longgggggggg way. How can anyone comment on how a job would have gone from this distance?

Monday Quarterbacks
Sidewalk Engineers
Peanut Gallery

Give it a rest...

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Now that's a voice of reason, well said Tom. An opinion is like a butthole everyone has one myself included. What I find fascinating is why certain dudes sooooooooooooooo want to make others a clone of them, by trying to convince everyone that what THEY DO is definitely the best. WOW. How really rather boring AND impossible. I am still yawning at the thought. The world is interesting because of our differences.
 
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There are two routes from the US to Scotland.

One is about 19,700 miles...the other...about 3,300.

Either way...its a longgggggggg way. How can anyone comment on how a job would have gone from this distance?

Monday Quarterbacks
Sidewalk Engineers
Peanut Gallery

Give it a rest...

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Now that's a voice of reason, well said Tom. An opinion is like a butthole everyone has one myself included. What I find fascinating is why certain dudes sooooooooooooooo want to make others a clone of them, by trying to convince everyone that what THEY DO is definitely the best. WOW. How really rather boring AND impossible. I am still yawning at the thought. The world is interesting because of our differences.

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... you gotta say... "and they stink." but I use armpit... not a-hole, you dirty boy... speaking of dirty... Where's Ol' Dirty been?!?! --Tom D you didn't ban him again did you ;)
 
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There are two routes from the US to Scotland.

One is about 19,700 miles...the other...about 3,300.

Either way...its a longgggggggg way. How can anyone comment on how a job would have gone from this distance?

Monday Quarterbacks
Sidewalk Engineers
Peanut Gallery

Give it a rest...

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A tree in a backyard is just that.. nothing more or less.. more than one way to skin a cat.. how many have the skill and confidence to land pieces flat exactly where they need to go? That's a professional skill that takes knowledge and experience... no peanuts involved.. sometimes I think you're losing it Tom...
 
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slow is smooth and smooth is fast......looks good to me.

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If you think two days for that tree is fast, then you've never seen fast..

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Our jobs are the essence of chilled out, we dont measure success in how fast a job can be done, we measure it in how well a job can be done and we price accordingly.

You on the other hand spend your life running around people's yards like a headless chicken because you dont know how to price properly. If you priced jobs well there would be no need to panic and roll the dice, as you yourself have admitted on many occasions.


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slow is smooth and smooth is fast......looks good to me.

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If you think two days for that tree is fast, then you've never seen fast..

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I said it was smooth. It was as fast as it needed to be.
 
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do you have the skill to drop pieces from a spar, landing them flat in the lay? If you don't, then of course that level of work looks like rolling the dice to you. Its really no big deal.. any half decent climber with good basic falling skills can pick that ability up after a few tries. You tell yourself a story about how great you are, so anything beyond your level looks risky.

You admit to having bad habits for years and not changing: "Sometimes I can go for months or years without really updating or developing my climbing techniques, I really need to address this issue. "

WHY? You're just scared. You're stuck in the box of your comfort zone, and don't want to change.. You've been slamming that block into your lanyard for years????? What kind of mentality is that? Its pretty simple to keep the lanyard above (or below) the block.. really just common sense..

The resistance to change is very commonplace in this industry.. Look at Jomoco, he's still climbing on true blue, a double d saddle that weighs as much as a boat anchor, and steel snaps. That resistance to change would look ridiculous in any other industry. it would be like being a telemarketer using a dial up phone, or a secretary using a electric typewriter...

It's guys that are stuck in their little boxes, like you and Jomoco that are so threatened by the things that are over your heads... What looks crazy and reckless to you all is just another tree job to me. I've been in business 30 years and just had my first insurance claim this summer.. Hit an a/c unit with the stump grinder.

Your trees down, you got paid, customers happy, your kids are fed.. its all good... keep it up if it works for you. Just don't think that someone that can get the job done twice as fast is reckless.. he's just that much better than you.

For me change was a matter of survival. A redwood in a backyard is just that, but the difference in markets are vast... Your turtle techniques could never long term compete with a drug dealer washing money through a tree business, with a 100 ton crane (one of three cranes), multiple 75-100' bucket trucks, a huge marketing program that promises to offer the lowest price etc.. Mine can..
 
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Was your client limiting your approach by specific requests,i.e., no damage to the lawn, that the sunroom be protected, etc...? There are many factors beyond those you mentioned in how you have approached the dismantling of this tree that we can only speculate on. While Daniel is making some valid points it may not jibe with how your business operates and what your clients expect. If it works for you then proceed. In the end, Grover, did you make the profit margin you estimated and left the client singing your praises? If so then you did a great job and will see more clients that fit your model.

Daniel, your market is different and obviously you choose to compete in a specific segment of that market that drives your model. While the critique of the block/lanyard/climbline set up is reasonable, the rest is really a matter of approach. Are you questioning it to find out the rationale and take it for what it's worth? If it's worth nothing to you then move on. Let's not get into a debate over the number of angels dancing on the pinhead though.
 
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You got a lot of nerve spouting such rubbish about a pro like Grover.

So let's do a side by side comparison of your lazy half azz work work practices shall we?

Here's ole Danny boy flyin by the seat of his chubby pants.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=you...ture%3Dyoutu.be

Rather than climbing out of his bucket and dropping the head of this tree a safe distance from the client's house like a pro would have done. Ole Danny boy's too scared to leave the bucket, so he ties a rope to it, then proceeds to drop it towards the clients house, which has about 16 windows exposed to flying debris, two of which he does a half azz job of covering with plywood.

The vid tells the whole sad story of an amateur fly by night wanna be a pro climber, who can't climb out of his bucket and do the job right.

Absolutely pathetic.

Then this clown's got the nerve to criticize a real pro doing a very challenging removal smoothly, methodically and safely?

jomoco
 
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