Problems with throwline

peder-d

peder-d

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Aarhus, Denmark
Hi.
I am having problems with my throwline. It is often very difficult to make the line "glide" over a brach and ofcourse get the throwbag down. Especially when I hit a branch high up. It seems like it is getting worse and worse.
I use an 8 (250 g) bag and a 1,8 mm line (zing it or liros).
Naturally it hels when I shift to a heavier bag, such as 12 (350g) but I really like the light bags, and would like to be able to stick to them.

Do I need to get new lines? Different type of lines???
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I throw a 10 and have problems sometimes. It all depends on what type of tree and the texture of the bark. I use heavier bags on different trees but the 10 is a great weight to throw.
 
Moss is a great difficulty, too. I use a heavy bag for mossy maples.

Possibly just tree-specific adjustments to the system, unless your line is worn and you are having trouble with all trees.
 
Go to a 12, or become come very good at the bow string flick. Lets not forget windy days it becomes even worst with light bags, seen even 16s have trouble with the wind drag on your line.
 
I use an 8 oz. with the 2.2 mm zing-it for most stuff. It does hang up sometimes but that's where strumming works well. If it is having trouble I'll add a bag to manipulate it.

Sometimes I'll use the 10,12 or 14 oz where I know the tree species has really rough bark.
 
I also us a 12oz. with zing-it, it works very well for me the 14oz. is ok but the 16oz. is like trying to throw a small child into the tree i really don't like using them but i will when the occasion arises. For the most part i see no change in my throw line other than when its worn and gets stuck it tends to break.
 
I use an 8 and a 12 with Target Line (AllGear). I get very few tangles with this line, and it will break when and if you really want it to, which is good sometimes. I need to add a 10oz bag to my collection, but haven't yet. They seem to be somewhat of a rare bird at my local shop.

One thing I have found is that the bags with the small D shaped attachment ring get stuck WAY LESS than the ones with the round attachment.

-Tom
 
Solutions with throwline

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I really like the light bags, and would like to be able to stick to them.

Do I need to get new lines? Different type of lines???

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You're using the industry benchmark type of line, and diameter ideal for what you're doing.


My experience is that a 350 g (12 oz) bag covers all the bases.
I totally agree with you that the lighter bags have their benefits and pleasure, but with that comes your stated problem.


Two possible solutions, one spray your line with silicone lubricant, or better yet, retire the line to secondary duty and get fresh new line. Older line does lose its 'slickness' to some degree.

An economical means could be to cut your old line in half, cut your new line in half and splice (not knot) the lines together with each other, you have then, two identical lines, each half n' half because honestly, the first half of a 60 meter line is doing all the business. You now have two entire full-length shotlines, each with new leads. Good mileage. I'm running half n half on a reel, and half n half in the cube. You can see by the image why I said to connect together with a splice, not a knot. Red is Zing-It, orange is fling-it; same material (dyneema) but slightly different construction. The orange appears, and seems to be slipperier.

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Second thing is to, after the throw, or the shot, don't interrupt the bag on it's way down as per the norm. Wait on the tie in point isolation, and just let that sucker drop. Add some ballast. Pull it back up to isolate your limb and trace it down. Performance while fishing the shotbag down and over limbs is <u>definitely</u> better with some added weight, much beter behaved.

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Re: Solutions with throwline

In my throwbag bucket there was a 20oz New Tribe that had been out of work for a long time. After using two smaller bags to pull ropes down during isolation maneuvers I realized a use for the big 'un.

By carefully opening a seam and adding the shot from a couple of small bags I ended up with a throwbag that is just shy two pounds. The bag has become known as Titan!

Titan finds use when manipulating two lines through roudn barked trees or when I need to have the end of a rope pulled down.

Using two bags works OK but they turn into boleros and swing wildly. Titan is the god of throwbags!
 
Re: Solutions with throwline

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In my throwbag bucket there was a 20oz New Tribe that had been out of work for a long time. After using two smaller bags to pull ropes down during isolation maneuvers I realized a use for the big 'un.

By carefully opening a seam and adding the shot from a couple of small bags I ended up with a throwbag that is just shy two pounds. The bag has become known as Titan!

Titan finds use when manipulating two lines through roudn barked trees or when I need to have the end of a rope pulled down.

Using two bags works OK but they turn into boleros and swing wildly. Titan is the god of throwbags!

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Smart.
 
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Id hate to see your version of the Big Shot that shoots the Titan. Cool Tom.

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Hahaha...after I posted I thought about that
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Maybe, to clarify, Titan doesn't go to work until Harrison Rocket does his work setting the line. Titan is just for manipulation.
 
Re: Solutions with throwline

Cool.
That was a whole bunch of good ideas!!
Treemachine, you had some really good points. Letting the bag run down after the shot without "interupting" it, and then add some more weight before manipulating is a really good trick! I think I'll get some new lines soon. And maybe try the splicing trick. :-) After all the competition-season is coming soon, and you don't want to f*ck up, because your bags won't come down to you. :)
Tom, maybe I should get myself a Titan bag. Maybe it could end up being the first one in Europe??? ;)

Tomthetreeman, I totally agree with you on buying throwbags with small eyes. Harrison rocket 8oz is my favorite! I've just bought some 12 to try out.
 
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