PRE-direct?

[SingleJack]

DISCLAIMER: <u>A "PRE-direct" can't be new</u>, but it's new to me and I haven't read anything about it - so, I'm looking for some opinions.

Yesterday: maintenance prune two medium oaks, 25' apart - simple job.

Plan: SRT &amp; prune up the first tree - grapple over &amp; prune down the second tree.

After setting the first TIP, I thought; - "pre-direct" ... "why not pull the tail into the second tree now?" - already had the trowline out - both trees were stong enough.

New Plan: prune up the 'second' tree - swing over &amp; prune down the 'first' tree.

Went so much faster than up &amp; down both trees, and no messing around in top of a tree with lines &amp; grapple or risking the damage a grapple might cause.

Like I said, a pre-direct can't be new but I haven't been able to find any mention of it. Is so common place that it's just not talked about?

 

[JesseHuffman]

great idea. Im sure youll get some good input on that here.
I mostly just lurk and steal ideas. Thanks for posting.

 

[Ron]

I used this a while back to set up an SRT traverse to gain some distance from the tree I was working in so I could get better perspectives in photos.

I set ropes (one in each tree in this case) and trailed the second rope up the tree with me. Then it was just a matter of taking out slack and terminating the rope for the SRT traverse. A DdRT traverse could not have been done in this case.

A while after that, an arborist saw me playing out in the front yard and stopped to see what was going on. In our many discussions, he asked if I had ever set a setting in one tree and another in a second so you could traverse to the second tree without having to do a down and up.

So the technique is in use, and I think you're on to something - this has got to be a time/labor saving technique.

pre-direct is an interesting term for it.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Do you mean that you set a climbing line in both trees while you were on the ground and tailed up the #2 line to use for the traverse?


Or did you set both lines then retrieve the #2 line from the #1 TIP using a grapple?

 

[SingleJack]

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Do you mean that you set a climbing line in both trees while you were on the ground and tailed up the #2 line to use for the traverse?


Or did you set both lines then retrieve the #2 line from the #1 TIP using a grapple?

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I set only ONE line, cinched it to a limb in tree #1. Then pulled the tail of that same line through a crotch in tree #2 (while on the ground). Worked up tree #2. Swung to tree #1 and worked down.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Gotcha!

This is a common SRT configuration. Instead of cinching onto #1 the rope can be anchored with a belay. This allows a belayed lower for the climber in case of an emergency.

Be very aware of the odd and increased loads on the TIPs.

 

[Tree_Machine]

This is one of the many beauties of climbing 1:1 systems, the freedom to perform not only everything that can be done in 2:1, but a whole other world of options that you wouldn't conceive, that aren't practical or possible in 2:1.

SRT and DbRT really open the climber up to greater swiftness and variety and choice in options.

Some guys don't like that. If you've got a system that ain't broke, then why 'n heck try to fix it?

Can't argue with that, really.

 

[lync]

Ive used this setup before while in the 1st tree pulled up my tail and set up a second tie in Ddrt for mobility and limb walking

 

[treebing]

Yep. Ddrt is very limiting as to where you can go.

 

[Jamin_Mayer]

I've done it, but I never gave it a name. I like the name.

 

[southsoundtree]

Good name. Good technique. Into the bag o' tricks you go.

 

[jmcscrap]

Any pics?

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

yes, pics