Poplar removal video (YouTube, no download)
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Hey, Max...great attitude. I, too, have posted some sketchy stuff...I didn't realize some of it was sketchy at the time but the feedback from others helps. And if more than one person "gets excited" about something (like one-handing) it just reinforces that the technique in question is probably real important.
About the 2nd tie in not being used lower down...you oughta just make it a habit. TreeSpyder calls it the [censored] T-I-T principle...Tie in Twice when cutting (had to disguise the acronym). I have seen a girl break an ankle from a 6 INCH fall.
Hang in there and keep sharing...other folks that read these posts learn, too.
About the 2nd tie in not being used lower down...you oughta just make it a habit. TreeSpyder calls it the [censored] T-I-T principle...Tie in Twice when cutting (had to disguise the acronym). I have seen a girl break an ankle from a 6 INCH fall.
Hang in there and keep sharing...other folks that read these posts learn, too.
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Maybe we need 3 or 4 more people to bash on him for one handing his saw. I don't think he's gotten the point yet. Now I remember why I quit coming here.
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Geeze Rocky, welcome back!
After reading your follow up, it's hard to take this post too serious. It seems you couldn't wait to post your thoughts, and yet you are pointing the finger. Tisk, tisk.
Positive feedback or reinforcemnet is exactly what we all need to help us return safe everyday. Drilling it into our heads is what some of us need in order to start to change. I agree that we shouldn't beat up on each other, but a little nudging is good.
Maybe we need 3 or 4 more people to bash on him for one handing his saw. I don't think he's gotten the point yet. Now I remember why I quit coming here.
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Geeze Rocky, welcome back!
Positive feedback or reinforcemnet is exactly what we all need to help us return safe everyday. Drilling it into our heads is what some of us need in order to start to change. I agree that we shouldn't beat up on each other, but a little nudging is good.
Well.... I wasn't going to say anything, but if you can take other peoples opinions, here's mine:
I would not want anyone to see things bouncing off my customers roof, no matter how light it was. And you were deliberately doing it. And those limbs were too much anyway, I don't care how light you say they were. I would never have posted a video that showed the things you did.
So, thanks for posting. It was entertaining.
Letting peices fall down the side of the house looked bad too. There is a window in that foundation. I'm supprized none of the pieces that you let fall on their own, didn't tip bounce and brake a window pane.
I agree with Rocky, if your using one hand, there should be a reason for it. Like holding on to the tiny pieces you were cutting. From the video, it looks like you use one hand because you want to hold yourself to the main trunk with the other.
Cutting this thing down in tiny peices reminded me of when I've stopped to watch Asplundh (spelling?) guys taking down a tree. No significant roping or plan, just cut everything small enough that it likely won't hurt anything. No real game plan, just do each tree like every other tree, cut it up really small.
Looks like that one leader could have been roped down quickly in one peice.
Was that really a lombardi poplar? Shape didn't look typical. Did you mean Tulip poplar or maybe even Hybrid poplar? Never seen a lombardi with that shape. And your in PA, so that's a little colder than me in Maryland. Lombardi's usually die in a cold winter before they ever get to that size.
Is this your first year of climbing, or do you do this type of work just now and then? If so, good job.
You left the brush as cushion for the larger chunks I guess, since you said the driveway was weak.
You got it down, without any damage I assume, so good job.
Welcome to Treebuzz, fun huh?
I'll post a video sometime and you can post your opinions.
I would not want anyone to see things bouncing off my customers roof, no matter how light it was. And you were deliberately doing it. And those limbs were too much anyway, I don't care how light you say they were. I would never have posted a video that showed the things you did.
So, thanks for posting. It was entertaining.
Letting peices fall down the side of the house looked bad too. There is a window in that foundation. I'm supprized none of the pieces that you let fall on their own, didn't tip bounce and brake a window pane.
I agree with Rocky, if your using one hand, there should be a reason for it. Like holding on to the tiny pieces you were cutting. From the video, it looks like you use one hand because you want to hold yourself to the main trunk with the other.
Cutting this thing down in tiny peices reminded me of when I've stopped to watch Asplundh (spelling?) guys taking down a tree. No significant roping or plan, just cut everything small enough that it likely won't hurt anything. No real game plan, just do each tree like every other tree, cut it up really small.
Looks like that one leader could have been roped down quickly in one peice.
Was that really a lombardi poplar? Shape didn't look typical. Did you mean Tulip poplar or maybe even Hybrid poplar? Never seen a lombardi with that shape. And your in PA, so that's a little colder than me in Maryland. Lombardi's usually die in a cold winter before they ever get to that size.
Is this your first year of climbing, or do you do this type of work just now and then? If so, good job.
You left the brush as cushion for the larger chunks I guess, since you said the driveway was weak.
You got it down, without any damage I assume, so good job.
Welcome to Treebuzz, fun huh?
I'll post a video sometime and you can post your opinions.
that definetly was not a lombardy
I watched the video again, and I think a wider angle would have shown more care on my part than you can see. Also, because of the backlight, it's hard to see what I'm up to there. To respond to your post, Xman, you're right, I should have used a lanyard for stability and then used two hands on the saw. That would have made more sense. But I did have a plan from the beginning, which I followed. I cut the stuff that couldn't easily be roped, or which could be bombed, first, and then roped out the rest. Almost half of the canopy was two feet or less from the roof, with much in direct contact so there was no way to keep it off. In fact, one branch was wrapped around their chimney. I was careful enough with my cuts that nothing ever touched or even came very close to the windows, and made sure not to cut anything that could tip bounce. I had a close call with that situation once four years ago and have been aware of it since.
By the way, you're right, Steve, it is not a Lombardy. It's Populus alba, White Poplar.
I do appreciate the comments. If I've been made to look stupid, that means I have a good chance to learn.
By the way, you're right, Steve, it is not a Lombardy. It's Populus alba, White Poplar.
I do appreciate the comments. If I've been made to look stupid, that means I have a good chance to learn.
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I looked at all the video quit a bit. Was it possible to drop the tree toward the street and slightly right of the driveway?
As I mentioned earlier, there are wires that are difficult to see that prevent dropping anything away from the camera angle, and the camera man was standing in the midst of a number of immobile targets. Throwing the top would have been way risky. Plus, in order to do that, I had to make sure it would clear the roof on the way down. By the time I had done that, the top would have been half gone anyway. I just didn't show enough in the video to see that, though.
By the way, I love that sig, notahacker.
By the way, I love that sig, notahacker.
TreeCo
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Welcome to the site Max. It's good to see you here and at ArboristSite.
Got any more videos?
Got any more videos?
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I too aplaud you for laying it on the chopping block this way. .I'm not sure what this roof bashing talk is all about- here we have lots of metal roofs that are quite tough and I dare say quite bouncy 
. I would definately be tied in with a climbing line as well as lanyarded(lanyarded- is that a word?). As well as cutting them puppies off with no kind of face cut what soever is a bit risky. I here what you are asying about a brittle dead tree like that ,but- if there is one thing years of experience has taught me is that sometimes even real dried out trees can peel when you get down to bigger wood. Working on a flipline like that if a chunk peeled could be disasterous. You definately need to work on that one handed thing a bit as well. Yeah we all do it periodically but I try to make it the exception for safety as well as tendonitis over time. Good on ya for trying to become better at what you do.
. I would definately be tied in with a climbing line as well as lanyarded(lanyarded- is that a word?). As well as cutting them puppies off with no kind of face cut what soever is a bit risky. I here what you are asying about a brittle dead tree like that ,but- if there is one thing years of experience has taught me is that sometimes even real dried out trees can peel when you get down to bigger wood. Working on a flipline like that if a chunk peeled could be disasterous. You definately need to work on that one handed thing a bit as well. Yeah we all do it periodically but I try to make it the exception for safety as well as tendonitis over time. Good on ya for trying to become better at what you do.Max,
As someone said earlier, good attitude you have on this forum.
White poplar, weird, haven't seen one of those since dendro in college 12 years ago. Really thick and white under the leaves I remember.
You said, "I should have been tied in with a lanyard for stability".
You were tied in the top with a climbing line right?
I'm not one to push for attaching a lanyard for every cut. (Yeah, yeah, I know, two tie in points for every cut.) It just seemed like you didn't want to leave the main trunk, in the video that was shown. That's all.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not against one handed saw use, but it should make sense why you are using one hand.
Good attitide man!
take care,
As someone said earlier, good attitude you have on this forum.
White poplar, weird, haven't seen one of those since dendro in college 12 years ago. Really thick and white under the leaves I remember.
You said, "I should have been tied in with a lanyard for stability".
You were tied in the top with a climbing line right?
I'm not one to push for attaching a lanyard for every cut. (Yeah, yeah, I know, two tie in points for every cut.) It just seemed like you didn't want to leave the main trunk, in the video that was shown. That's all.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not against one handed saw use, but it should make sense why you are using one hand.
Good attitide man!
take care,
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Thanks Maxburton for the compliment! I saw the wires in the video, however, it looked like they were behind the direction I was wondering (to be falled). Anyway. No worries. You stick around here a while and these guys will teach you alot. I have learned a lot of stuff here. I respect Tom and Mark for creating this site. This site offers other arborists free information for all of us to better practice.
Honestly, staying on the trunk is a habit of mine. It's been pointed out by a couple different guys who have watched me climb. I think it's a holdover from the days when I was scared out of my freakin' mind trying to learn to climb from a crew of insane asylum escapees. What I meant about the lanyard was that if I had one, I wouldn't need an arm to keep myself from swinging around while I tried to make a cut.
Notahacker, as I've tried to explain, the direction you had in mind was off-camera and full of targets. It would have been a tight squeeze and I decided to piece it out instead.
Notahacker, as I've tried to explain, the direction you had in mind was off-camera and full of targets. It would have been a tight squeeze and I decided to piece it out instead.
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What I meant about the lanyard was that if I had one, I wouldn't need an arm to keep myself from swinging around while I tried to make a cut.
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No lanyard? Da-yum! You can't go aloft w/o a lanyard!
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No, silly! I had one, of course. I meant if I was using my lanyard for stability while making the cut, I wouldn't need a hand for that. I NEVER go up without a lanyard.
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What I meant about the lanyard was that if I had one, I wouldn't need an arm to keep myself from swinging around while I tried to make a cut.
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No lanyard? Da-yum! You can't go aloft w/o a lanyard!
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No, silly! I had one, of course. I meant if I was using my lanyard for stability while making the cut, I wouldn't need a hand for that. I NEVER go up without a lanyard.
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Notahacker, as I've tried to explain, the direction you had in mind was off-camera and full of targets. It would have been a tight squeeze and I decided to piece it out instead.
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(Say it like the guys on the Dodge Ram commercials)Sweeeeet!
I love tight felling spots.
Naw, I understand. There are days when you feel like dropp'n stuff and days where you want to take it easy. It is good to know our limits.
Notahacker, as I've tried to explain, the direction you had in mind was off-camera and full of targets. It would have been a tight squeeze and I decided to piece it out instead.
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(Say it like the guys on the Dodge Ram commercials)Sweeeeet!
I love tight felling spots.
Naw, I understand. There are days when you feel like dropp'n stuff and days where you want to take it easy. It is good to know our limits.
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