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Fairfield

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by far not the best possition to be in when making a cut, and not a way that i like to do it but job has to be done...... right...... anyway I know when it comes to safety on this I could raped by a two year old on basic rules broke on this one, but I am sure if you climb long enough these days will come from time to time. Enjoy, and be safe...

http://youtu.be/f7zKfTAJ_Sk
 
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I hate to be the bad guy but is that a single action wire gate on your lanyard?

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That is definitely a wire gate. Go to 3:51 to see it.
 
Bad guy?? Naaa, yup it sure was a wire gate. I tell you there is no room for cowboying while working at height like that!! well that is what I would tell my son if he had done that. I was also tied in behind me with my climbing line so that lanyard was more work possitioning then anything else. Also that wire gate is a brand new double locking biener now. The bar was a surprise to me at the end. I got out of the tree and could have sworn that it was going to be bent all to hell, it wasnt though. Was fully ready to buy a new one. Just a crap job where I could not get enough height to make a good and safe cut and on top of that the saw was not cutting all the way through. Wish I could say I am always perfect when I climb/work, but I will be the first to say I am not and most likely will never be.

What I do appreciate is that I can post a video on here and there is a group of people like me that pay that close of attention to the details of it. I thank you for that.
 
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betcha willow has killed or injured more workers than any other species.

Glad you survived to tell the tale.

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Ya, it was not a good feeling when I was able to feel then see what was going on with my original tie in point. one side looking at it, it was all ok and good to climb. the other side was compleatly blocked from view do to whispy growth. I do hate Willows, but to be tied in and feel it splitting apart due to me being on it...... sad sad face.
 
You could have girthed a loop runner around the trunk to stand in. That would have solved the problem of not being high enough and gave you a better working position.
 
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by far not the best possition to be in when making a cut, and not a way that i like to do it but job has to be done...... right...... anyway I know when it comes to safety on this I could raped by a two year old on basic rules broke on this one, but I am sure if you climb long enough these days will come from time to time. Enjoy, and be safe...

http://youtu.be/f7zKfTAJ_Sk

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I'm curious about why you posted this Fairfield?

It seems such a hypocritical thing to invite the viewer to enjoy and be safe as you post such unsafe and downright dangerous work practices, then compound that hypocrisy by insinuating that if I climb long enough, such shoddy amateurish approaches at tree pruning will happen from time to time?

Did you leave that tree after finally completing that shoddy cut? Or did you do the right thing and take it down below that split?

Why do I suspect you just cut that stub out and left the tree as it was?

I got news for yu Fairfield, pros don't work like that at any time, because they're acutely aware that all it takes is one such mistake to end their careers.

jomoco
 
Like J says...why post a vid of a setup that has so many wrong things going on? To show how NOT to do treework?

Teachers, and people who post instructional videos on youtube, must be held accountable for what they show. Otherwise someone with less knowledge will think that what's illustrated is correct.

Using a wiregate biner on a lanyard is soooo wrong. It doesn't make any difference if your primary support is correct. The reason for having two systems is to have a true backup if the primary fails. Take some time to read the Z133.

Did you remove the whole cracked limb?
 
Wow, well I guess I will start with leaving the cracked part up there. Yes, that was the only cut that was made. If it was my tree or my call I would have left the tree alone all together. As it is, I dont make that call due to I work for someone. The customer who has enough money to call us out to make the one cut in a tree that is truely in the middle of no where that has no traffic at all under it wanted that one cut and nothing else. I do belive that if there was a chance of the tree causing harm when it does fail.. because it will for sure, then more would have been taken out.
For the wire gate biener, nope like I had stated before not the right thing to do, it has been changed over (the next day when I had bought a new biener to replace it). The only tree that that lanyard setup was used in was the one you all had seen. The danger in my mind was VERY low of failing.
What I would find hard to belive is that anyone that climbs long enough can be honest with them self when they say that they have NEVER EVER done something that wasnt fully by the rules (and I am not saying that as you have done it for a long period of time). I place the video up not as a "how you should do the job" but more as a "this sucked to have to do" job.
Trust me when I say that I dont always agree with what may have to be done at work or how I may have to get it done. I will always be tougher on myself then anyone person can ever be. You may choose to think that I am a dangerous climber, that is fine. The people that have worked with me would say different.
 
A lot of continued discussions and questions can be eliminated with a bit more info in the beginning. How is anyone supposed to know for sure that all you cut was the broken stub? without that insight it makes it look like the job was left undone. Then we guess...

I've nudged and broken rules. But...I sure wouldn't document those cases and post them for observation. Nor talk about them in public either. What did Shakespeare say about 'slings and arrows'?
 
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What did Shakespeare say about 'slings and arrows'?

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I believe his words were "to besmudge, or not to besmudge, that is the question"

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So you admit that you have broken rules in the past ( and I am sure that they were under close eye from yourself at the time). But you will find it ok to try and slam a person that admits to mistakes and has no problem putting it out there they have made them????? It's very easy to hide behind a keyboard and pretend you are perfect and then slam those that are not, but it seems some on forums couldnt grab up enough balls and put there mistakes out there. Tom, I have no doubt that you have been around the block a time or two but god forbid a person is not as good as you I guess. Lets all start being as perfect (behind a keyboard) as Tom is, dont worry about braking a rule. If no one sees it, it had never happen..... right......... There is more to learn from mistakes then watching perfect work sometimes.
 
Fairfield come on dude, these guys are in no way trying to give you a hard time. They are just pointing out some bad practices that they see and it's fair to do so. You posted the video and put yourself up for critique. This is a professional forum after all. You have posted other videos that have been well received, not so? But this one has left a lot of question marks.
 
I cant say you are wrong, I do take it as a critique, just to be called out as an amature and have others act as though they have never broke a rule just cause they dont speak of it...... some may need to look twice at them self.
 
Ok I think this was what Tom was talking about " slings and arrows " Shakespeare's soliloquy in Hamlet. A metaphor for " how we handle the troubles that life throws our way ". In other words like this scenario how does one handle criticism on this forum? Do we take it personally as an affront or do we go back to the drawing board and review our practices and MAYBE decide to correct a few. We can lash out and justify or we can choose to learn. Everyone is different. Just something to think about.
 

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